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Do I need to file US taxes with an intermittent L1 visa if I'm still UK-based?

I'm in a bit of a muddle about my US tax obligations and hoping someone can help clear things up. I'm a UK citizen, employed by a UK company, and I pay all my taxes in the UK. My company has a US office, and I regularly travel to the States for business meetings (nothing beyond what's allowed by ESTA visa waiver rules). The complication is that I also have an L1 visa. I got it a while back when there was talk about me potentially transferring to our US office, but that's been in limbo for ages. Right now, I'm still fully employed in the UK with no US-sourced income whatsoever. I know colleagues who make similar business trips to the US using just ESTA and they don't file any US tax returns. But I'm confused about whether having this unused L1 visa changes my obligations. Also, if it doesn't matter now, would things change if I eventually do transfer to the US office and extend the L1 visa? I'm planning to make the move within the next year or so, but nothing's confirmed yet. The IRS guidance seems super unclear to me on this specific situation. Any advice would be much appreciated!

This is a great question about a nuanced situation. The key factor in determining if you need to file US taxes isn't the type of visa you hold, but rather your "substantial presence" in the US and whether you have US-sourced income. If you're just making occasional business trips to the US and spending less than 183 days in the US (calculated over a 3-year period using a specific formula), you're typically considered a nonresident alien for tax purposes. Without US-sourced income, nonresident aliens generally don't need to file a US tax return. Having an L1 visa doesn't automatically create a filing requirement if you're not using it to live/work in the US. The visa itself is just permission to enter and work - it doesn't create tax obligations until you actually use it for its intended purpose. However, once you do relocate to the US and begin working there, you'll definitely need to start filing US tax returns. The US taxes based on worldwide income for residents, so you'll report both US and foreign income at that point.

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Thanks for this explanation! I'm curious about the 183-day calculation. Is it just a straight count of days physically present in the US? And does having the L1 visa change how these days are counted compared to someone on ESTA?

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The 183-day test is actually a weighted formula. It counts all days in the current year, plus 1/3 of days in the previous year, plus 1/6 of days from the year before that. So it's not just a straight count of present-year days. Having an L1 visa doesn't change how the days are counted compared to ESTA for this test. Days are days regardless of visa type for the substantial presence test. However, certain visa categories (like F, J, M, Q) have special exemptions, but L1 isn't one of them.

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Does this tool handle the specific L1 visa situation? I've been told L1 visa holders are sometimes treated differently than other business travelers because it's an "intent to immigrate" visa. Is that true?

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I'm wondering about privacy concerns... did you have to provide all your passport stamps and travel info? I'm not sure I'd be comfortable uploading all that personal data to a website I'm not familiar with.

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Yes, it specifically addresses different visa types including L1 visas. The "intent to immigrate" aspect doesn't automatically change your tax status - it still comes down to the substantial presence test and whether you're earning US income. The tool clarifies these distinctions very well. Regarding privacy concerns, you don't need to upload your actual passport or stamps. You just enter your travel dates in and out of the US. They use encryption for all data and don't store your personal information after the analysis is complete.

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Just wanted to follow up about my experience with taxr.ai after checking it out. It was actually really enlightening! I uploaded my travel history for the past three years (just dates, nothing too personal), and it gave me a clear analysis showing I was well under the substantial presence threshold. The tool specifically addressed my L1 visa situation and confirmed what others had said - merely holding the visa doesn't create a filing requirement. It also provided documentation I could keep for my records explaining why I didn't need to file, which gave me peace of mind. Definitely worth checking out if you're in this kind of ambiguous situation.

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It's not a magical solution - they use technology to automatically dial the IRS repeatedly until they get through, then call you when they have an agent on the line. It took about 35 minutes in my case, but I didn't have to sit there redialing constantly. And yes, it was definitely a real IRS agent. I verified by asking specific questions about my account that only the IRS would know. They don't pretend to be agents themselves - they literally just get you into the IRS phone queue faster than doing it manually.

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Something nobody's mentioned yet - even if you don't need to file now, once you do move to the US on that L1, the IRS will consider you a US resident alien from your first day of residence. Worth planning ahead, because the tax year you move can get complicated with partial-year filings. You'll need to file a dual-status return for that transition year. Also, the UK-US tax treaty has provisions that might help avoid double taxation, but you'll need to actively claim those benefits. They don't happen automatically.

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This is really helpful - I hadn't thought about the transition year complications. Do you know if there are any specific forms I should be looking at to prepare for this? And is it generally something I can handle with tax software or would you recommend getting an accountant who specializes in expat taxes?

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For the transition year, you'll need to file Form 1040 with "Dual-Status Return" written across the top, and you'll likely need Form 1040-NR for the part of the year you were a nonresident. Form 8833 is used to claim tax treaty benefits. I strongly recommend getting a tax professional who specializes in expat and international taxation for at least the first year. The dual-status return can't be e-filed, has special rules, and mistakes can be costly. Regular tax software doesn't handle these complex situations well. After the first year, when you're just a regular US resident, you might be able to go back to DIY methods.

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Quick note to add to all this great advice - make sure you're clear on your "last day of UK tax residency" and "first day of US tax residency" because those don't necessarily align with your physical move dates! This created a huge headache for me when I moved from UK to US. If you have ongoing UK income (like rental property or investments), you might end up in a situation where both countries claim you as a resident for tax purposes.

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Is there a specific way to determine or document these dates? My company is suggesting I keep my UK employment active for a couple months after physically relocating to the US as a "safety net" but I'm worried that'll create tax complications.

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That "safety net" arrangement your company is suggesting could definitely create complications! You'd potentially be considered a UK tax resident (due to ongoing employment) AND a US tax resident (due to physical presence) simultaneously. This is exactly the dual residency issue @Sunny Wang mentioned. For determining the dates, the UK uses statutory residence tests that consider factors like days spent in the UK, accommodation ties, work patterns, etc. The US uses the first "day present rule" for immigrants. These don t'always align cleanly. I d'strongly recommend getting advice from tax professionals in both countries before agreeing to that arrangement. The treaty tie-breaker rules exist to resolve dual residency, but you want to plan this properly rather than sort it out after the fact when it s'messier and potentially more expensive.

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! As someone who's been in a similar limbo situation with an L1 visa, I wanted to add one more consideration that hasn't been mentioned yet. Even though you don't have filing requirements now, it's worth starting to document everything related to your US travel and visa status. Keep records of: - Entry/exit dates from the US (I-94 records) - Purpose of each trip (business meetings, etc.) - Your UK tax returns showing UK-sourced income - Employment contracts/payroll records proving UK employment This documentation becomes invaluable later when you do make the transition to US tax residency. The IRS may ask about your prior tax status, especially for the first few years after you become a US resident. Having clear records that demonstrate you were correctly classified as a non-resident alien during your business travel period will save you potential headaches down the road. Also, once you do relocate, consider whether you'll need to report any UK bank accounts or investments on FBAR (Form 114) or Form 8938. The reporting thresholds are different for US residents vs non-residents, so accounts that didn't require reporting before might need to be disclosed after you move.

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This is excellent advice about documentation! I'm just starting to travel to the US for business and hadn't thought about keeping such detailed records. One question - for the I-94 records, is there a specific way to access or preserve those? I know they're electronic now, but I want to make sure I'm capturing the right information for future reference when I eventually do relocate. Also, regarding the FBAR reporting you mentioned - do you know if there's a grace period or any special considerations for the first year after becoming a US resident? I have several UK investment accounts that would definitely exceed the reporting thresholds once I'm classified as a US resident.

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