Confused about Indirect Roth IRA to Roth Rollover - Dates Don't Line Up?
So I recently did an indirect rollover of part of my Roth IRA, moving just the principal contributions (not any earnings) from Vanguard to Fidelity. The whole process has me worried about tax implications because the timing got messed up. Here's what happened: I initiated the transfer from Vanguard Roth to my Fidelity checking account. Vanguard is coding this as an "early distribution" on their end. But before the Vanguard transfer actually completed and hit my checking account, I went ahead and moved money that was already in my checking account into my Fidelity Roth IRA. Since the dates don't match up perfectly (I funded the new Roth before the old Roth money actually arrived), I'm worried about whether this still counts as a proper rollover. My understanding was that if I'm only moving original contributions (not earnings), I shouldn't have any tax issues, but I can't find clear documentation about timing requirements for this specific situation. We've already filed my taxes for the year, but haven't received the refund yet. If I need to report this as a taxable distribution, it would add about $1300 to my taxable income. At this point, I'm trying to decide whether to just accept the penalty or if I have a legitimate case that this was a proper rollover despite the timing. Filing an amended return might cost me more in fees than I'd save on the taxes. Any advice on how to handle this situation correctly? I want to be tax-compliant but also don't want to overpay if I don't have to.
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Vanessa Chang
The 60-day rollover rule is what applies in your situation. When you take a distribution from a Roth IRA that you intend to roll over, the IRS gives you 60 days from the date you receive the distribution to complete the rollover to another Roth IRA. What's interesting in your case is that you actually funded the new Roth IRA before receiving the distribution from the old one. This is sometimes called "floating" the rollover, and it doesn't automatically disqualify your rollover. The key question is whether both transactions occurred within the 60-day window. Since you were only moving original contributions and not earnings, you have additional flexibility. Original contributions to Roth IRAs can be withdrawn at any time without tax or penalty. However, the way you describe the transaction suggests you intended it as a rollover rather than a withdrawal followed by a new contribution. I would recommend gathering documentation showing both transactions - the withdrawal from Vanguard and the deposit to Fidelity - to demonstrate they occurred within the 60-day period. This would support treating it as a valid rollover even if the timing wasn't perfect.
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Madison King
•Thanks for the response. Does it matter that the money I put into the Fidelity Roth wasn't technically the same money that came out of the Vanguard Roth? Like, I used money already in my checking account before the Vanguard funds arrived. Does the IRS care about that specific detail?
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Vanessa Chang
•The IRS doesn't require that the exact same dollars be used for the rollover. What matters is that you complete the rollover within the 60-day window and that the amount you roll over doesn't exceed the amount distributed. When you move money between accounts, the IRS recognizes that funds are fungible - meaning one dollar is the same as another dollar. So as long as you deposited an equivalent amount into the new Roth IRA within 60 days of taking the distribution from the old one, you should be fine from a rollover perspective.
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Julian Paolo
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Ella Knight
•How exactly does it work? Does it just read your documents or does it actually give tax advice? I'm in a similar situation but with a Traditional to Roth conversion and I'm getting conflicting advice from my broker and tax software.
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William Schwarz
•I'm a bit skeptical of these tax tools. How does it handle complex situations? Like if you've done multiple rollovers or have both pre-tax and after-tax contributions in the same account?
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Julian Paolo
•The tool analyzes your documents and extracts the key details like distribution dates, contribution dates, and amounts. It doesn't just read them - it interprets them according to IRS rules and identifies potential issues or confirms compliance. It's not generic advice but specific to your documentation. For complex situations with multiple rollovers or mixed contribution types, it can actually separate and track each transaction stream. It identified that my rollover included both pre-tax and after-tax amounts and showed me how to report each correctly. It even flagged potential issues with my basis calculations that my tax software missed completely.
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William Schwarz
Just wanted to follow up - I tried taxr.ai after seeing this thread and it was genuinely helpful for my complicated rollover situation. I was hesitant at first (as you could tell from my earlier comment), but after uploading my statements from three different institutions, it clearly identified where my tax software was getting things wrong. The analysis showed that my rollovers were all valid despite some weird timing issues, and it helped me correct my tax forms before filing. It even created a detailed explanation document I could use if I ever got audited. I was particularly impressed that it caught some basis calculation errors that would have resulted in double taxation of part of my retirement savings.
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Lauren Johnson
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Jade Santiago
•Wait how does this even work? I thought it was literally impossible to get through to the IRS these days. Is this some kind of priority line service or something?
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Caleb Stone
•Sounds sketchy. Why would I pay a third party to call a government agency? And how can they possibly guarantee they'll get through when millions of people can't?
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Lauren Johnson
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Caleb Stone
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Daniel Price
Quick tip for anyone in this situation: request a waiver of the 60-day rollover requirement if you're outside the window! IRS Publication 590-A has details on this. My rollover was delayed because my first financial institution sent a paper check to my old address, and I was able to get relief through a self-certification procedure. For the original poster - if your transactions were within 60 days of each other, you're fine. The fact that you pre-funded the new account before receiving the distribution doesn't invalidate the rollover as long as the total amounts match up and everything happened within the 60-day window.
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Olivia Evans
•Is there a limit to how many times you can do these indirect rollovers? I thought I read somewhere that you can only do one per year or something like that.
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Daniel Price
•You're absolutely right to ask about that limitation. The IRS restricts you to ONE indirect rollover between IRAs (including Roth IRAs) per 12-month period. This is a rolling 12-month period, not a calendar year. If you do multiple rollovers within 12 months, the second and subsequent ones will be treated as taxable distributions plus potential early withdrawal penalties. However, this limit doesn't apply to direct trustee-to-trustee transfers where you never take possession of the money. You can do unlimited direct transfers between IRA accounts.
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Sophia Bennett
Anyone know if the same 60-day rule applies when moving from a 401k to a Roth IRA? My company's being acquired and I need to figure out what to do with my retirement account ASAP.
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Aiden Chen
•Yes, the 60-day rule applies to 401k to Roth IRA rollovers too, but be careful - that's a conversion not just a rollover, so you'll owe taxes on the pre-tax portion. You're going from pre-tax (401k) to after-tax (Roth), so it's treated as income in the year you do it.
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Aiden Rodríguez
I went through a very similar situation last year with my Roth IRA rollover between Schwab and TD Ameritrade. The timing was off by about a week, and I was panicking about the tax implications. After consulting with a tax professional, I learned that what you've described should qualify as a valid rollover. The key factors working in your favor are: 1) You're only moving original contributions, not earnings, 2) Both transactions occurred within the 60-day window, and 3) The amounts match up. The IRS doesn't require the exact same physical dollars to move - they recognize that money is fungible. What matters is the timing and amounts. Since you initiated the process properly and completed it within 60 days, you should be able to report this as a rollover rather than a distribution. However, you'll want to be very careful with your tax reporting. Make sure you have documentation showing both the distribution date from Vanguard and the contribution date to Fidelity. If there's any question during tax review, having a clear paper trail will support your position that this was an intended rollover, not separate transactions. Given that you've already filed, you might want to wait and see if you receive any notices from the IRS before filing an amended return. Sometimes these situations resolve themselves without additional action needed.
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Mateo Rodriguez
•This is really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the exact same situation! I've been losing sleep over this whole thing. Quick question - when you say "wait and see if you receive any notices," about how long does that typically take? I'm worried about interest and penalties accumulating if I should have amended right away. Also, did your tax professional give you any specific advice about how to document the rollover intention? I have the statements from both Vanguard and Fidelity, but I'm wondering if there's anything else I should be keeping track of in case the IRS has questions later.
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