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1099R confusion: messed up fixing my 2022 Roth IRA overcontribution in 2023

I've got a tax situation that's driving me crazy and could really use some help figuring it out. In my early 30s and finally landed a good-paying job last year. When doing my taxes in February 2023, I discovered I had accidentally overcontributed to my Roth IRA for 2022. I panicked a bit and instead of researching the proper procedure, I just withdrew the excess amount (plus what I thought were the earnings) from my Vanguard account. I realized pretty quickly this was the wrong approach, so I called Vanguard. A representative walked me through some complicated steps and had me fill out several forms. They assured me we'd "fixed it" but warned I'd have some confusing tax forms to deal with when filing my 2024 taxes (for 2023). Looking back at my notes, I think we basically did some kind of IRA rollover to correct the mistake. Now I'm staring at a 1099R form that doesn't make sense to me, and I'm worried I've created a bigger tax mess than if I'd just left things alone. Has anyone dealt with correcting a Roth IRA overcontribution the wrong way and then trying to fix it? How do I handle this on my taxes now?

This is actually a fairly common mistake, so don't worry too much. When you overcontribute to a Roth IRA, there are specific procedures to correct it, and unfortunately taking a regular distribution isn't the ideal approach - which you discovered. Based on what you're describing, it sounds like Vanguard helped you process what's called a "return of excess contributions." This is different from a normal distribution because it specifically addresses the overcontribution issue. The 1099-R you received is showing the distribution you took, which includes the excess contribution amount and any earnings associated with it. The key things to look for on your 1099-R are the distribution code in Box 7 and whether there are any entries in Box 7a (taxable amount) or Box 2b. These will help determine how to report this on your taxes. Most likely, the earnings portion (if any) will be taxable for 2023, and if you were under 59½, there might be a 10% early withdrawal penalty on those earnings.

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That makes sense, but I'm confused about one thing - if Vanguard processed this as a "return of excess contributions," wouldn't the 1099-R have code "P" or "J" in Box 7? Mine has code "7" which I think is for a normal distribution. Does this mean they didn't process it correctly as a correction? Also, will I get hit with the 6% excess contribution penalty since I technically fixed it wrong initially?

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You're right to question the distribution code. If the 1099-R shows code "7" instead of "P" or "J", it suggests the distribution wasn't properly coded as a return of excess contributions. This could mean the correction wasn't processed exactly as intended. Regarding the 6% excess contribution penalty, it depends on timing. If the corrective distribution (even if coded incorrectly) was completed before your tax filing deadline including extensions for the year of the overcontribution, you should generally avoid the 6% penalty. However, I'd recommend documenting everything carefully - keep copies of all communications with Vanguard, the forms you submitted, and any notes about what they told you regarding the correction process.

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - check if you're still within the timeframe for a "corrective distribution" for your 2022 overcontribution. If you took the distribution before your filing deadline (including extensions) for 2022, you can avoid the 6% excise tax completely, even if Vanguard coded it incorrectly on the 1099-R. For the earnings portion, you generally need to include those as income in the year you made the contribution (2022), not when you took the distribution (2023). If your 1099-R doesn't separately show the earnings, you might need to contact Vanguard to get that breakdown. The most critical form here is Form 5329 where you'll need to show you corrected the excess contribution. Even with an incorrect distribution code, you can still properly document this with an attached statement explaining the situation.

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Thanks for this info! I did take the distribution in February 2023, which was before my filing deadline for 2022 taxes. But I'm confused about reporting the earnings - my 1099R doesn't break out what portion was earnings vs. principal. Does this mean I need to amend my 2022 return now to report those earnings? Or can I handle everything on my 2023 return?

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Since you took the distribution before your 2022 filing deadline, you should definitely avoid the 6% excise tax, which is good news. For the earnings portion, yes, technically those earnings should be reported on your 2022 tax return, which would mean filing an amendment if you've already filed for 2022. You'll need to contact Vanguard to get the breakdown of principal vs. earnings from that distribution. Ask specifically for the "net income attributable" or NIA related to the excess contribution amount. This might not be reflected correctly on your 1099-R if the distribution wasn't properly coded.

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Heads up - I went through this exact same mess with Fidelity last year. Make sure you also check if you qualify for the "self-certification" procedure under Revenue Procedure 2021-30. If your correction doesn't fully meet all the technical requirements for a proper return of excess contribution, you might still qualify for relief under this procedure. It essentially lets you "self-certify" that you intended to follow the rules for proper correction even if there were some procedural errors along the way. You'll need to file a specific statement with your return, but it could help avoid penalties even if Vanguard didn't process everything perfectly.

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I've never heard of this self-certification procedure. Does it apply to 401k contribution corrections too or just IRAs? I overcontributed to both last year and am trying to sort through the mess.

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