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I'm a piano teacher who also does performances, and I file everything under one business. My accountant said it's totally fine because they're related activities in the same industry. One thing she recommended though was keeping good records that clearly identify which income and expenses belong to which activity. This has been super helpful on the rare occasions when I've had specific questions about allocating certain expenses. Also helps me track which part of my business is more profitable!
Do you use any specific software or method to track this? I'm trying to figure out the best way to separate everything while still filing on one Schedule C.
I use QuickBooks Self-Employed and set up different categories for the income streams. So all income gets tagged as either "Performance Revenue" or "Teaching Revenue" when it comes in. For expenses, I either assign them fully to one activity or split them by percentage if they benefit both parts of the business. It's fairly simple once you set it up. The important thing is consistency throughout the year. I used to try tracking everything in spreadsheets, but it became too time-consuming. Having a system that can generate reports showing the profitability of each activity separately while still maintaining one overall business has been incredibly helpful for both tax purposes and business decisions.
Random question but what tax software do you use that handles this well? I'm using TurboTax and struggling with how to report my wedding photography + photo editing services which are similar to your situation.
One important thing no one has mentioned yet - make sure you're getting Form 8832 from the Montessori school with their tax ID number and payment information. You'll need this to properly document the childcare expenses for the Child and Dependent Care Credit. Also, there are income limits and maximum credit amounts to be aware of. For one child, the maximum expenses you can claim is $3,000 per year (or $6,000 for two or more children). The actual credit percentage depends on your income level.
Thanks for mentioning the form! Quick question - is it Form 8832 or did you mean something else? I've been looking online and Form 8832 seems to be related to business entity classification, not childcare expenses. Is there a different form number I should be asking my son's Montessori for?
You're absolutely right, I made a mistake with the form number. I meant to say that you should get documentation from the childcare provider, which is typically reported on Form 2441, not 8832. Most providers will give you a receipt or year-end statement with their tax ID (EIN) and the total amount you paid during the year. Some providers will complete Form W-10 (Dependent Care Provider's Identification and Certification) which gives you their official information for tax purposes. That's what you'll need when completing Form 2441 to claim the Child and Dependent Care Credit. Thanks for catching my error!
Has anyone actually had success claiming Dependent Care Credit when their ex claimed the child as a dependent? I've been told conflicting things by different preparers.
Yes! I successfully did this last year. The key is that you must have custody for more than half the nights of the year to claim the Dependent Care Credit, even if your ex claims the child as a dependent due to your agreement. I had to paper file though, because TurboTax kept giving me errors when I tried to enter it this way.
Just to clarify some confusion I see in this thread: When you file taxes, you're not "claiming yourself as a dependent." You're either filing as someone who CAN be claimed as a dependent or as someone who CANNOT be claimed as a dependent. The difference affects which tax credits you can claim. If you can be claimed as someone else's dependent (even if they don't actually claim you), you can't claim certain credits like the Recovery Rebate Credit. For claiming your brother: Since he's your sibling, you need to meet the qualifying relative tests, not the qualifying child tests. The main tests are: 1) You provided more than half his support, 2) His income was less than $4,950 (for 2023), 3) He lived with you all year, and 4) He's not filing a joint return.
Thanks for explaining! So if I understand correctly, on my tax return I would indicate that I CANNOT be claimed as a dependent on someone else's return (since I provide more than half my own support), and then separately I'd try to claim my brother as my dependent if I meet all those tests you listed?
That's exactly right. You would check the box indicating that no one else can claim you as a dependent on their return. This is different from "claiming yourself as a dependent" which isn't a thing. Then separately, you would list your brother as your dependent if you meet all the qualifying relative tests. Make sure you have documentation showing you provided more than half his support - things like receipts for rent, utilities, food, clothing, medical expenses, etc. This is especially important since claiming siblings is something the IRS sometimes looks at more closely.
Just wondering - does it matter that the brother is 17? Doesn't that make him a qualifying child rather than a qualifying relative? I thought siblings under 19 could be qualifying children.
You're right! A sibling can be a qualifying child if they're under 19 (or 24 if a student), they lived with you for more than half the year, they didn't provide more than half of their own support, and they meet the other tests. The benefit of qualifying child vs. qualifying relative is that there's no income limit for a qualifying child. So even if OP's brother made more than $4,950, they might still be able to claim him as a dependent under the qualifying child rules.
Going back to the original 1031 exchange question - I had a similar situation where I wanted to do something creative with different types of assets. My tax attorney suggested an alternative approach: consider an opportunity zone investment instead of forcing a 1031. If you're willing to invest your capital gains into a Qualified Opportunity Zone, you can defer the tax until 2026, and if you hold the investment for 10 years, any appreciation on the opportunity zone investment itself can be tax-free. Might be worth exploring if your vacation rental is in or near a designated opportunity zone.
Does the Opportunity Zone investment have to be made immediately after selling the software? Are there timing requirements like with a 1031 exchange? This sounds interesting.
You have 180 days from the date of sale to invest in a Qualified Opportunity Fund to defer the capital gains from your software sale. Unlike a 1031 exchange, you only need to invest the gain portion, not the entire proceeds. The key timing requirements are the 180-day investment window, and then the holding periods: hold for 5 years and you get a 10% reduction in the deferred gain; hold for 10+ years and any new appreciation on the opportunity zone investment itself becomes completely tax-free. This could be especially valuable if you're buying a vacation rental that you expect to appreciate significantly.
I had a coworker who tried a 1031 exchange between dissimilar properties a couple years ago. The IRS audited him and he ended up having to pay the full capital gains tax plus penalties and interest. Be really careful with anything that seems like a stretch with these exchanges. The rules are super specific.
Did he use a qualified intermediary? I've heard that's essential for doing these exchanges properly.
Hattie Carson
One thing nobody mentioned yet - if you're making under $1,000 in crypto from these apps, you might not need to file quarterly estimated taxes, but you'll still need to report the income on your annual return. I learned this the hard way last year when I got hit with a small penalty for not making quarterly payments on my mining income.
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Xan Dae
ā¢Thanks for bringing this up! I didn't even think about quarterly taxes. How do you calculate how much you need to pay each quarter? Is there a minimum threshold before you have to start doing that?
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Hattie Carson
ā¢You generally need to pay quarterly estimated taxes if you expect to owe at least $1,000 in taxes for the year after subtracting withholdings and credits. The IRS has a "safe harbor" rule where you won't face penalties if you pay at least 90% of the current year's tax liability or 100% of the previous year's tax (110% if your AGI was over $150,000). For calculating the amount, you'd take your expected crypto income, combine it with any other self-employment income, then calculate the tax (including self-employment tax) and divide by four for each quarter. The deadlines are April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 of the following year.
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Destiny Bryant
Don't forget you can deduct expenses related to your mining! If you're using apps that use your phone's processing power, you can potentially deduct a portion of your phone cost, electricity used to keep it charged, and maybe even part of your data plan if it's using data. This can offset some of that self-employment tax burden.
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Dyllan Nantx
ā¢Can you really deduct part of your phone bill? How would you even calculate what percentage is used for mining vs regular use? I'm using one of these apps too but it seems hard to document.
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