401k Rollover Error with Pretax, After-tax, and Roth Conversion - Need Urgent Advice!
So I messed up my 401k rollover back in July and need some advice on how to fix this tax nightmare. I had a 401k with Fidelity (my old job) that had both pretax and after-tax contributions. When I tried to rollover to Vanguard, Fidelity told me their system could only send everything to one account, but that they'd actually mail two separate checks - one for pretax to my Traditional IRA and one for the after-tax portion directly to me. Well, surprise! They sent ONE check with EVERYTHING to Vanguard, who immediately dumped it all into my Traditional IRA before I could stop them. I've been fighting with both companies for months now, and finally did a Roth conversion to move what should be the after-tax portion to my Roth IRA. I called the IRS (worst experience ever - couldn't understand the guy and he was super rude) who basically said to write on my tax form that the conversion is non-taxable and include documentation. Meanwhile, I haven't invested any of this money because I'm afraid it'll complicate things further. My questions: 1) Vanguard probably won't code this Roth conversion correctly to show it was moving after-tax money. How do I explain to the IRS that this shouldn't be taxed again since I already paid tax on it? Do I need a tax pro? 2) Vanguard gave me a 3% match on my rollover, but since everything went to Traditional IRA, the match is there too. If they'd done this right, would the match on the after-tax portion have gone to my Roth? Does it matter tax-wise where the match ends up? 3) Someone at EY (not a tax person but knowledgeable) suggested I should also convert the proportional gains from my after-tax contributions to Roth. I'd pay tax on those gains, but then they grow tax-free. Is this a good idea? I'm trying to get Vanguard to code this correctly before year-end but their customer service is awful (no phone, just email/chat). Really need advice on this mess!
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Zainab Ahmed
What you're dealing with is a pretty common rollover issue with mixed pre-tax and after-tax funds. Let me help break this down: For your first question, you'll need to file Form 8606 (Nondeductible IRAs) with your tax return. This form specifically tracks the non-deductible (after-tax) contributions in your Traditional IRA, establishing your "basis." When you did the Roth conversion, you should receive a 1099-R from Vanguard showing the conversion amount. You'll report this on your taxes, but you'll also report your basis on Form 8606 so that only the pre-tax portion (if any) is taxable. Keep all documentation from Fidelity showing the after-tax amounts as supporting evidence. For the 3% match question - matches are always pre-tax regardless of which account they end up in. If the match had gone to your Roth, you would have paid tax on it this year. With it in your Traditional IRA, you'll pay tax when you withdraw it in retirement. So tax-wise, the match being in the Traditional IRA is normal and probably preferable unless you're expecting to be in a higher tax bracket in retirement. Regarding converting the proportional gains - this is related to the "pro-rata rule." If you did a partial conversion, you need to calculate what percentage of your Traditional IRA is after-tax contributions, and that same percentage of your conversion would be tax-free. The rest would be taxable. Converting gains now can make sense if you expect to be in a higher tax bracket later or want more tax-free growth potential.
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Connor Gallagher
•Thanks for the detailed explanation! Quick follow-up: if Vanguard gives me a 1099-R that doesn't indicate this was after-tax money being converted, will just filing the 8606 be enough to prevent double taxation? I'm worried the IRS computer systems will automatically flag this as a taxable conversion.
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Zainab Ahmed
•Yes, filing Form 8606 correctly is sufficient even if Vanguard's 1099-R doesn't specifically flag the after-tax portion. The 8606 is specifically designed to track your non-deductible contributions and basis in Traditional IRAs, and the IRS reconciles this information with your 1099-R during processing. When you complete Form 8606, you'll report your total basis (the after-tax amount from your Fidelity documentation), which will reduce the taxable amount of your conversion accordingly. Make sure to keep all supporting documentation from Fidelity showing the after-tax amounts in case of questions, but the properly completed 8606 is what prevents the double taxation.
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AstroAlpha
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Yara Khoury
•Does taxr.ai actually communicate with the IRS for you, or just help you figure out what to do? I'm in a similar boat but am terrified of getting audited because my rollover paperwork is a mess.
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Keisha Taylor
•How much did the service cost? I've got a similar issue but with Roth 401k to Roth IRA plus a small traditional portion, and my broker is being useless about giving me the proper documentation.
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AstroAlpha
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Keisha Taylor
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Paolo Longo
I know everyone's focusing on the tax forms, but honestly, I'd recommend trying to actually speak with someone at the IRS about this. I had a similar issue last year and spent MONTHS trying to get through on their phone line with no luck. Then I found https://claimyr.com which got me through to an actual IRS agent in about 15 minutes when I'd been trying for weeks on my own. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c The agent I talked to was able to put notes in my file about the rollover situation and gave me specific instructions on how to document everything. Most importantly, they flagged my account so if there was any automated letter about the rollover looking like a taxable event, they would already have documentation on file explaining the situation.
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Amina Bah
•Wait, how does this actually work? The IRS phone system is notoriously impossible to get through. Is this some kind of priority line or something?
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Oliver Becker
•This sounds like a scam honestly. No way some random service can magically get you through to the IRS when millions of people can't get through. What's the catch?
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Paolo Longo
•It's not a priority line - they use an automated system that continually calls the IRS for you and navigates through all the phone prompts. When they finally get through to the hold queue, they call you and connect you directly. Basically they handle all the endless redialing and menu navigation that makes people give up. There's no catch - they just solve the most frustrating part of dealing with the IRS. You still talk directly to the same IRS agents everyone else does, but without spending hours or days trying to get through. I was skeptical too, but when I got connected to an agent who walked me through exactly how to handle my rollover documentation, it was worth every penny.
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Oliver Becker
I was completely wrong about Claimyr. After posting that skeptical comment, I was desperate enough to try it because my tax situation with a botched 401k rollover was getting worse by the day. Not only did I get through to the IRS in about 20 minutes (after trying for WEEKS on my own), but the agent I spoke with immediately understood my rollover issue. She confirmed exactly what I needed to document and even put notes in my account about the after-tax portion that was converted. The peace of mind was incredible - knowing that there's actually documentation in the IRS system explaining my situation before I even file means I'm not just hoping my explanation with the tax forms will be enough. If you have a complicated tax situation like this rollover issue, being able to actually talk to someone at the IRS makes all the difference.
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CosmicCowboy
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - you should look into whether you qualify for a "mega backdoor Roth" strategy going forward. If your previous employer allowed after-tax (non-Roth) contributions to your 401k, your new employer might too. The ideal process would be to roll those after-tax contributions directly to a Roth IRA (which is what should have happened in your case). This is completely legal and allows you to get way more money into a Roth than the standard contribution limits. For your current situation, definitely file Form 8606 to track your basis (the after-tax amount), but also consider getting a tax professional just for this year. This is complicated enough that having someone who deals with these issues regularly is worth the money.
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Miguel Diaz
•I've heard about mega backdoor Roth, but wasn't sure if that's what I was accidentally dealing with here! My previous employer did allow after-tax contributions (beyond the standard pre-tax/Roth 401k limits), and I'd been making them for years without realizing the rollover would be such a headache. Does this mean I can actually do this intentionally in the future? Are there annual limits to how much after-tax money I can roll over to a Roth?
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CosmicCowboy
•Yes, what you were doing is exactly the foundation for a mega backdoor Roth strategy! The annual limit for total 401k contributions (including employer match, your pre-tax/Roth deferrals, and after-tax contributions) is $69,000 for 2025. The standard employee deferral limit is $23,000, so if you max that out and get employer matching, you can contribute the remainder as after-tax contributions. The key is to then regularly convert those after-tax contributions to Roth (either in-plan Roth conversion if your plan allows it, or by rolling over just the after-tax portion to a Roth IRA). This way you avoid having significant earnings accumulate on the after-tax money, which would be taxable upon conversion. This is absolutely something you can do intentionally going forward - it's one of the most powerful tax strategies available for high earners who've already maxed out their standard retirement contributions.
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Natasha Orlova
I think everyone's overthinking this. I've done several rollovers and the key document you need is the final statement from your old 401k provider showing the breakdown between pre-tax and after-tax amounts. Get that, keep it with your tax records, and report things correctly on your Form 8606. The fact that Vanguard messed up initially is annoying but fixable. For the future, be aware you can request a direct trustee-to-trustee transfer instead of having checks sent, which often prevents these kinds of mixups.
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Javier Cruz
•I disagree - I had this exact situation last year and it turned into a NIGHTMARE. The 401k provider put the wrong codes on the 1099-R, and even though I had documentation showing the after-tax portion, I got a CP2000 notice from the IRS saying I owed taxes plus penalties. Had to send in multiple responses with documentation, and it took almost 8 months to resolve. Definitely worth getting professional help to ensure everything is filed correctly the first time.
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Daniel White
I've been through a similar rollover mess and want to add a few practical tips that helped me navigate this: First, regarding your concern about not investing the money - you're actually smart to keep it in cash/stable value until this is sorted out. Capital gains/losses on top of the rollover confusion would just create more headaches come tax time. For documentation, create a simple spreadsheet tracking everything: original after-tax contribution amounts from Fidelity statements, the rollover amount, the Roth conversion amount, and dates for everything. This becomes your "story" that connects all the 1099s you'll receive. One thing I learned the hard way - if you're going to convert more money from Traditional to Roth (like the proportional gains the EY person mentioned), do it before December 31st. Roth conversions can't be undone anymore, so you want to be strategic about the timing and tax implications. Also, don't just rely on Vanguard's customer service to "code this correctly." They're not tax advisors and their 1099-R will likely just show a standard conversion. The burden is on you to properly report this on your tax return using Form 8606, regardless of how their forms look. Last tip: if you do decide to hire a tax professional, find one who specifically deals with complex retirement account issues. Many general CPAs don't handle these mega backdoor Roth situations regularly and might not catch important details.
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