Can the IRS send debts to private collection agencies? Got a notice from Conserve about tax owed
So I'm helping out with our family business and we just received this strange notice from a company called "Conserve" claiming they're collecting on behalf of the IRS. The letter specifically says it was assigned by the IRS and is regarding an 1120-S that was filed late for the 2021 tax year. We completely missed the filing deadline because of some health issues our accountant was going through, but we did eventually file it a few months back. The penalties are pretty steep - around $3,500 - and we're looking into applying for a first-time penalty abatement since we've always filed and paid on time before this. What's throwing me off is that I always thought the IRS handled their own collections. Is this legit? Do they actually farm out tax debts to private collection agencies? I'm worried this might be some kind of scam, but the letter seems to have accurate information about our filing situation. Has anyone dealt with Conserve or other collection agencies regarding IRS debt? Any advice on how to proceed with the first-time penalty abatement in this situation?
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Miguel Ortiz
Yes, the IRS does use private collection agencies (PCAs) for certain tax debts. This program was authorized by Congress in 2015 and has been ongoing since then. There are currently four approved agencies that the IRS uses: CBE Group, Conserve, Performant, and Pioneer. So receiving a notice from Conserve about IRS debt can be legitimate. Before taking any action though, you should verify this is legitimate. The IRS always sends a letter (CP40) notifying taxpayers that their account is being transferred to a private collection agency before the agency contacts you. If you didn't receive this letter first, be cautious. For your penalty abatement request, you can still apply for first-time penalty abatement directly with the IRS rather than through the collection agency. Call the IRS directly using the number on your original tax notice (not the collection agency letter) and explain your situation. For 1120-S late filing penalties, the first-time abatement can be very effective if you have a clean compliance history.
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Zainab Khalil
•Do these collection agencies have the same authority as the IRS? Like can they do wage garnishment and stuff or are they just glorified call centers?
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Ava Rodriguez
•I did get a CP40 letter a few weeks ago but honestly I thought it was just another notice and didn't pay much attention to it. Just checked my files and you're right - it mentions the account being assigned to Conserve. Should I contact the IRS directly about the penalty abatement or work through Conserve? I'm worried going around them might cause issues.
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Miguel Ortiz
•Private collection agencies have significantly less authority than the IRS itself. They cannot issue liens, levies, or garnishments. They're essentially just collecting payments on behalf of the IRS, so they can set up payment plans but cannot take enforcement actions. You should absolutely contact the IRS directly about penalty abatement. The collection agencies don't have authority to approve abatements - they're only authorized to collect. Call the IRS at the main number (1-800-829-1040 for individuals or 1-800-829-4933 for businesses) and request to speak with someone about first-time penalty abatement for your 1120-S. Let Conserve know you're working directly with the IRS on this matter.
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QuantumQuest
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Connor Murphy
•Does it work for business tax issues too? Most of these tools I've tried seem to be focused on personal tax stuff only.
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Yara Haddad
•I'm skeptical of any service claiming to analyze your tax situation. How does it know whether you've had previous penalties to determine if you qualify for first-time abatement? The IRS doesn't make that data publicly available.
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QuantumQuest
•Yes, it works for business tax issues including 1120-S penalties. It actually has specific sections for different business entities and the unique penalty abatement options for each. I originally found it when helping with my brother's small business tax issues. Regarding previous penalties, you're right that it can't access your full IRS record. The tool asks you questions about your filing history and uses that information, along with analyzing the specific language in your current notices. It helps you determine if you're likely to qualify based on your answers and the notice details. Then it provides guidance on how to proceed. It's not making the determination itself - it's helping you understand if you might qualify and how to make your case.
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Yara Haddad
I was skeptical about taxr.ai at first but decided to try it for my S-corp's late filing penalty situation. I had a $2,800 penalty for filing our 2022 return four months late. The tool analyzed my notice and confirmed I was likely eligible for first-time penalty abatement based on my answers about previous compliance. It gave me a script to use when calling the IRS that highlighted our perfect payment history and explained our reasonable cause (our accountant had a family emergency). I called using their suggested approach and got the entire penalty removed in one call. Saved me from having to pay that collection agency that had been hounding me. The most helpful part was explaining exactly what to say and what not to say. I would have probably said things that hurt my case without realizing it.
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Keisha Robinson
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Paolo Conti
•How does this actually work though? I don't understand how they can hold your place in line...doesn't the IRS just hang up if you're not there?
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Amina Sow
•Sounds sketchy. Why would I give some random company my personal info just to make a phone call? Probably selling your data to scammers.
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Keisha Robinson
•They use a combination of automated systems and real people to navigate the IRS phone tree and stay in queue. Their system can detect when a human agent is about to pick up, and that's when they call you and connect you. It's not that they're holding your personal place - they're essentially waiting in line for you. I understand the concern about personal info, but they don't actually need much sensitive information to make this work. You're not giving them your SSN or anything like that - they're just connecting the call. I was skeptical too, but after waiting on hold with the IRS for 2+ hours multiple times and getting disconnected, I was desperate. The service itself just gets you through to an IRS agent - you're the one who actually talks to the IRS about your tax situation. They're not involved in that conversation.
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Amina Sow
I hate admitting when I'm wrong but I have to eat my words about Claimyr. After posting that skeptical comment, I decided to try it anyway out of desperation. I had been trying to reach the IRS for THREE WEEKS about a collection notice. Used the service yesterday and got connected to an IRS agent in 17 minutes without having to stay on hold. The agent confirmed my account had been assigned to Conserve legitimately but also processed my penalty abatement request right there on the phone. $2,100 penalty GONE. For anyone dealing with these private collection agencies - definitely call the IRS directly and ask about first-time abatement if you qualify. The collection agencies don't tell you about these options because they're just trying to collect.
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GalaxyGazer
Just adding to the conversation - I've worked in tax resolution for years, and these private collection agencies are legit but VERY limited in what they can do. They basiclly can only: 1) Take payments 2) Set up installment agreements up to 7 years 3) Forward requests for other relief options to the IRS They CANNOT: - Issue liens or levies - Garnish wages - Approve penalty abatement - Accept offers in compromise - Make any final decisions on your case So if you're seeking penalty abatement, you NEED to talk to the IRS directly. The collection agencies are just middlemen for certain types of cases the IRS doesn't want to handle in-house.
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Ava Rodriguez
•This is super helpful info, thank you! If the IRS approves my penalty abatement request, will they automatically notify Conserve or do I need to do that myself?
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GalaxyGazer
•If the IRS approves your abatement, they will update your account in their system and should notify the collection agency. However, in my experience, there can be delays in this communication. Once you receive written confirmation of your abatement approval from the IRS, I recommend contacting Conserve yourself and providing them with a copy of that approval letter. It's also good practice to request a letter from the IRS confirming your current balance after the abatement. This gives you documentation in case there are any disputes with the collection agency later. The IRS and these agencies don't always have perfect communication, so being proactive helps avoid headaches.
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Oliver Wagner
Idk if this helps but I got a letter from Pioneer (another IRS collection agency) last year. Called the IRS directly and found out I qualified for Currently Not Collectible status because of financial hardship. The collection agency never mentioned this was an option even though I told them I couldn't pay. So definitely talk to the IRS directly about ALL your options, not just the ones the collection agency tells you about.
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Natasha Kuznetsova
•How did you apply for Currently Not Collectible? Did you have to submit financial statements or something? I might be in a similar boat.
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Chloe Harris
This is really helpful information everyone is sharing! I'm in a similar situation with a late filing penalty for my LLC. One thing I wanted to add - when you call the IRS directly about penalty abatement, make sure you have all your documentation ready. They'll want to know the specific reason for the late filing and any supporting evidence. For health-related issues with your accountant, if you have any documentation of that (like medical records or communication showing the accountant was unavailable), it could strengthen your reasonable cause argument. The IRS is generally pretty understanding about situations beyond your control, especially if you have a good compliance history. Also, when you do call, be prepared to explain why this was a one-time occurrence and what steps you've taken to prevent it from happening again. They like to see that you're being proactive about future compliance.
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Cynthia Love
•Great point about having documentation ready! I'm new to dealing with tax issues like this, but it makes sense that the IRS would want to see proof of reasonable cause. For the OP's situation with their accountant's health issues, would something like an email from the accountant explaining the situation work? Or do they need more formal medical documentation? I'm asking because I might face a similar situation in the future and want to know what kind of records to keep. Also, does anyone know if there's a time limit on how long after receiving the penalty notice you can request first-time abatement?
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