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Chris King

Can my capital gains push me over the Roth IRA contribution limit?

So this is the first year I've had a significant amount of capital gains and I'm a bit confused about my Roth IRA situation. I'm single, made roughly $125k from my job, plus I had about $65k in capital gains from selling some stocks I've held for years. When I started running my taxes through software, I got this message: "You have $4,680 of excess Roth IRA contributions." This caught me completely off guard since I've been contributing to my Roth IRA for years without issues. I guess I didn't realize capital gains would count toward the income limit? What are my options here? Do I need to take that money out? Is there a penalty? Can I somehow reclassify the contribution? Really appreciate any help on this!

Rachel Clark

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Yes, capital gains absolutely count toward your MAGI (Modified Adjusted Gross Income) which determines your eligibility for Roth IRA contributions. The 2025 income phase-out range for single filers is $146,000-$161,000. Since your combined income is around $190k ($125k salary + $65k capital gains), you're completely over the limit. You have a few options: 1) You can withdraw the excess contributions and their earnings before the tax filing deadline (plus extensions). 2) You can recharacterize your Roth contributions to Traditional IRA contributions (then potentially do a backdoor Roth conversion). 3) You can apply the excess contributions to next year, but you'll still pay a 6% excise tax on the excess amount for this year. The best approach for most people in your situation is to recharacterize to a Traditional IRA and then do a backdoor Roth conversion if you're eligible.

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For the recharacterization, do you just call your brokerage and ask them to change it? And what exactly is a backdoor Roth conversion? I've heard of it but never looked into it.

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Rachel Clark

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Yes, you'll need to contact your IRA provider/brokerage and specifically request a "recharacterization" of your Roth IRA contributions to Traditional IRA. They'll have a form for this and will handle moving the money plus any earnings/losses. Do this before your tax filing deadline (including extensions) to avoid penalties. A backdoor Roth conversion is when you contribute to a Traditional IRA (which has no income limits for contributions, though deductibility may be limited) and then convert those funds to a Roth IRA. The conversion itself has no income limits. If you don't have other pretax IRA assets, this can be a tax-efficient way to fund your Roth despite being over the income limits. However, if you have other Traditional IRA assets, the pro-rata rule comes into play which makes this more complicated tax-wise.

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Lucas Bey

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Another option nobody's mentioned is that you could do a "return of excess contributions" instead of recharacterizing. You'd remove the excess $4,680 plus any earnings on that amount before your tax filing deadline. The earnings would be taxable for the year you made the contribution, and if you're under 59.5, there's a 10% early withdrawal penalty on those earnings (not on the contribution amount you're removing). Some people prefer this if they don't want to deal with the backdoor Roth process or if they have existing Traditional IRA balances that would complicate things due to the pro-rata rule.

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What's the pro-rata rule? I have a traditional IRA from an old 401k rollover with about $200k in it. Would that cause problems?

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Lucas Bey

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The pro-rata rule is basically an IRS calculation that prevents you from only converting after-tax money in your Traditional IRAs to a Roth IRA. If you have both pre-tax and after-tax money across all your Traditional IRAs, you must treat all of them as one pool when doing a conversion. Yes, having $200k in a Traditional IRA would definitely cause complications! If you were to do the backdoor Roth strategy (make a non-deductible Traditional IRA contribution, then convert it to Roth), you couldn't just convert that new contribution. Instead, the conversion would be prorated across all your Traditional IRA balances. For example, if you contributed $6,500 non-deductible to a Traditional IRA and then tried to convert it with your existing $200k balance, only about 3% of your conversion would be tax-free. You'd owe taxes on roughly 97% of whatever amount you convert, making the backdoor strategy much less attractive.

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Caleb Stark

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Quick question - I'm trying to figure out if I'll have the same problem this year. Does anyone know exactly what line items on the tax return are used to calculate the MAGI for Roth contribution purposes? Is it just AGI or are there specific add-backs?

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Jade O'Malley

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For Roth IRA purposes, MAGI is your AGI with certain deductions added back in. The main add-backs are: traditional IRA deductions, student loan interest deduction, tuition and fees deduction, foreign income exclusion, foreign housing exclusion/deduction, savings bond interest for education, and employer-provided adoption benefits. Capital gains definitely count in both AGI and MAGI.

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Oliver Becker

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I went through this exact same situation two years ago when I had unexpected stock options vest. One thing to be really careful about is the timing - you have until your tax filing deadline INCLUDING extensions to fix this. So if you file for an extension, you have until October 15th to complete the recharacterization or withdrawal. Also, make sure you understand what "earnings" means for the withdrawal calculation. It's not just any gains in your account - it's specifically the proportional earnings attributable to the excess contribution amount. Your brokerage should be able to calculate this for you, but double-check their math because I've seen them get it wrong. If you do go the recharacterization route, make sure you get written confirmation from your brokerage that they've processed it correctly. I had to follow up three times with mine to make sure all the paperwork was filed properly with the IRS.

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Mei Liu

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This is a really common issue that catches people off guard! I went through something similar when I had a big bonus year that pushed me over the limit. One thing I'd add to the great advice already given - if you decide to do the recharacterization route, ask your brokerage about the exact process for reporting this on your tax return. You'll need to file Form 8606 if you recharacterize to a Traditional IRA, and the timing of when you make the recharacterization request can affect which tax year it applies to. Also, some brokerages are faster than others at processing these requests, so don't wait until the last minute if you're going that route. The backdoor Roth conversion is definitely worth understanding even if you don't use it this year - it's a valuable strategy for high earners going forward. Just make sure you understand the pro-rata rule implications if you have existing Traditional IRA balances from old 401k rollovers.

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Hassan Khoury

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This is really helpful advice! I'm new to dealing with high-income tax situations and had no idea about Form 8606. Quick question - if I recharacterize my Roth contributions to Traditional IRA, do I need to file Form 8606 even if I don't do the backdoor Roth conversion this year? Or is that form only needed when you actually do the conversion step? Also, when you mention the timing affecting which tax year it applies to, does that mean if I recharacterize in early 2026 for my 2025 contributions, it could somehow count toward 2026 instead of fixing my 2025 problem?

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Carmen Reyes

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Great question! Yes, you'll need to file Form 8606 even if you just recharacterize to Traditional IRA without doing the conversion step. Form 8606 tracks non-deductible contributions to Traditional IRAs, and when you recharacterize from Roth to Traditional, those contributions are typically non-deductible (since you were over the income limit). This creates a basis in your Traditional IRA that needs to be tracked for future tax purposes. Regarding timing - no, you don't need to worry about it affecting the wrong tax year. As long as you complete the recharacterization before your tax filing deadline (including extensions), it will apply to the original contribution year (2025 in your case). So if you recharacterize in early 2026 for 2025 contributions, it still fixes your 2025 problem. The IRS treats it as if you originally contributed to the Traditional IRA in 2025. The key is just making sure you meet that deadline - April 15, 2026 (or October 15, 2026 if you file for an extension).

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Just wanted to chime in as someone who dealt with this exact situation last year. The capital gains surprise is so frustrating - I had no idea they counted toward the income limits either until my tax software flagged it. One thing I'd recommend is acting quickly once you decide on your approach. I initially thought I had plenty of time since the deadline seemed far away, but the recharacterization process with my brokerage took almost 3 weeks to complete. They had to calculate the earnings attribution, get supervisor approval, and then submit all the paperwork to the IRS. Also, if you're considering the backdoor Roth route for future years, it might be worth talking to a tax professional about whether you should roll your existing Traditional IRA balances into a current employer's 401k first (if your plan allows it). This can help you avoid the pro-rata rule complications down the road. The silver lining is that this is a "good problem to have" - your investments did well! Just an expensive lesson in tax planning for higher income years.

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This is such great advice about acting quickly! I'm dealing with a similar situation right now and was definitely underestimating how long the paperwork process takes. Can I ask which brokerage you used? I'm with Vanguard and trying to get a sense of their typical timeline for recharacterizations. Also, that's a really smart point about rolling existing Traditional IRA balances into a 401k to avoid pro-rata issues. I have about $150k in a Traditional IRA from an old employer and hadn't thought about that strategy. Do most 401k plans accept incoming rollovers like that, or is it something you have to specifically check with your plan administrator?

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