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Felix Grigori

Can I withdraw early Roth IRA contributions if I exceed income limits?

Hey folks, I'm trying to figure out the rules around Roth IRA withdrawals and could use some help. I'm 34 years old and just opened my Roth IRA last year, so I'm nowhere near the 5-year holding period. I've been putting in the max contributions for 2023 and 2024, totaling about $17,000, with all the money deposited in 2024. Here's my problem - I just realized my MAGI might hit around $153,000 this year due to a promotion and some unexpected bonuses. After digging into IRS rules, it seems I'm only eligible for a partial Roth contribution at this income level, not the full amount I've already put in. To avoid getting hit with that 6% excess contribution penalty, I'm thinking about pulling out the entire $17,000 (just my contributions, not any earnings). When I tried to initiate the withdrawal through my brokerage app, it showed a warning about possibly facing a 10% early withdrawal penalty and taxes on earnings. Is this just a generic warning, or do I actually need to worry about penalties? I thought I could withdraw contributions (not earnings) penalty-free at any time? Also, if I've already contributed to my Roth IRA and then exceed the income limits, am I allowed to keep some of it in there without penalties? Super confused about how this all works with the income limits!

You're right to be thinking carefully about this. Roth IRA rules can be tricky with income limits and withdrawal timing. First, you can always withdraw your original Roth IRA contributions (not earnings) at any time, tax and penalty-free, regardless of age or how long you've had the account. The warning is just a standard disclaimer since most people shouldn't touch retirement funds early. For your income situation, the 2024 Roth IRA contribution starts phasing out at $146,000 and is completely phased out at $161,000 for single filers. Since you're expecting to fall within that range, you'd only be eligible for a partial contribution. You have several options: 1) Wait until you file your taxes to confirm your exact MAGI, then withdraw only the excess portion before the tax filing deadline; 2) Withdraw all contributions now and decide later how much to put back once you know your exact MAGI; or 3) Consider a "backdoor Roth" conversion if you're fully above the income limit. The app warning is about earnings, which would indeed be subject to taxes and potentially the 10% penalty since you're under 59.5 and haven't met the 5-year rule. But your original contributions can come out anytime without penalty.

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Thanks for the info! Quick question about the backdoor Roth option - I've heard about this but don't fully understand it. If I'm over the income limit, how exactly does that work? Do I need to open a traditional IRA first? And are there any gotchas I should know about? Also, if I go with option 1 (waiting until I file taxes), won't I get hit with the 6% penalty if I end up being over the limit and don't remove the excess by the filing deadline?

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The backdoor Roth conversion works by first contributing to a Traditional IRA (which doesn't have income limits for contributions, though the tax deduction might be limited based on income), then converting those funds to a Roth IRA. You'll pay taxes on any pre-tax amounts converted, but since you'd be making non-deductible contributions to the Traditional IRA first, you'd only pay taxes on any earnings between the contribution and conversion. For option 1, you actually have until the tax filing deadline (including extensions) to remove excess contributions without penalty. So if you file your 2024 taxes by April 15, 2025, or get an extension, you have until then to remove any excess amounts and avoid the 6% penalty. Just be sure to also withdraw any earnings on those excess contributions, which would be subject to tax and potentially the 10% early withdrawal penalty.

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Does taxr.ai handle calculating the earnings portion too? That's what I'm struggling with. My brokerage doesn't make it clear what portion of my account is considered earnings on the excess contributions vs. earnings on the allowable portion.

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I'm skeptical of tax tools that aren't from established companies. Is this legit? I've been using TurboTax for years and they've never mentioned anything like this for my Roth issues. How much does it cost?

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Something nobody mentioned yet - have you considered just reducing your MAGI to stay under the limit? Max out your 401k if you haven't already ($23,000 for 2024), contribute to an HSA if eligible ($4,150 individual), or look into if your employer offers any other pre-tax benefits like dependent care FSA, commuter benefits, etc. Might be easier than dealing with withdrawals and recalculations if you're close to the threshold. I was in a similar situation last year and managed to drop my MAGI just enough by maxing these pre-tax options.

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That's a great point I hadn't considered! My company does offer a 401k that I'm not fully maxing out yet. I'm putting in about 10% of my salary but could definitely increase that. We also have an HSA option I haven't been using. Would increasing 401k contributions now still help reduce my MAGI for the whole year, even though we're partway through 2024?

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Yes, increasing your 401k contributions now will still help reduce your 2024 MAGI, even though we're partway through the year. Your MAGI calculation only looks at your total contributions for the year, not when during the year they were made. If you significantly increase your contribution percentage for the remaining months, you can make up for the lower contribution rate from earlier in the year. The HSA is another great option if you have a qualifying high-deductible health plan. The $4,150 contribution limit (for individual coverage) for 2024 comes straight off your MAGI calculation. Between maxing out your 401k and adding an HSA, you could potentially reduce your MAGI by enough to stay within the Roth contribution limits, avoiding the need to withdraw anything.

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I think there's some confusion in this thread. The 5-year rule for Roth IRAs has TWO different applications: 1. For CONTRIBUTIONS: You can withdraw your contributions anytime without penalty regardless of the 5-year rule. 2. For CONVERSIONS and EARNINGS: The 5-year rule applies here. Each conversion has its own 5-year clock, and earnings require both 5 years AND being 59.5 years old to avoid penalties. In your case, since you're only withdrawing contributions, the 5-year rule doesn't matter at all. The app warning is just a generic message they show everyone. Also - if you're close to the income limit, consider contributing to a Traditional IRA and then doing a Backdoor Roth conversion rather than dealing with partial contribution calculations.

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Thanks for clarifying the 5-year rule! One question though - if OP does the backdoor Roth conversion, doesn't that start a NEW 5-year clock for those converted funds? I'm trying to understand if there's any disadvantage to the backdoor approach versus direct contributions if you might need access to the money before 59.5.

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