Self-employed and overcontributed to my Roth IRA - how to calculate excess?
Hi all, I need some advice about Roth IRA excess contributions. I'm a freelance graphic designer and I've been maxing out my Roth IRA for the past few years. Last May (2023), I put in the full $6,500 contribution for the 2023 tax year. Well, turns out my business really struggled last year and I only ended up making $4,200 in total income before any deductions or taxes. Way less than I expected when I made that contribution. My husband and I file married jointly, and we're planning to submit our taxes next month (March 2025). From what I've read, since my income is less than what I put into the Roth IRA, I've overcontributed and need to contact my Roth IRA provider to get back the excess plus any earnings before the April 15, 2025 deadline to avoid penalties. Here's what I'm confused about - I haven't actually paid taxes on my $4,200 income yet, so how do I calculate the excess contribution amount? Is it just the difference between my income and what I contributed? And what about any earnings on that excess amount? Any help is appreciated!
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Tyrone Hill
You're right to be concerned about the excess contribution. The calculation is actually pretty straightforward - your contribution limit for a Roth IRA is limited to your earned income for the year. Since you only earned $4,200, that's your maximum allowable contribution for 2023. Your excess contribution would be $6,500 (what you contributed) minus $4,200 (your earned income) = $2,300. This is the amount you need to withdraw, plus any earnings specifically on that $2,300 portion. Your IRA custodian should be able to calculate the earnings portion for you. Just call them and request a "return of excess contributions" for the 2023 tax year. Make sure to specify you need both the excess amount ($2,300) and its associated earnings withdrawn. Don't wait too long - getting this done before the tax filing deadline will help you avoid the 6% excess contribution penalty that would otherwise apply each year until corrected.
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Toot-n-Mighty
•Thanks for explaining, but I'm a bit confused about the earnings part. How does the IRA company figure out what earnings came specifically from the excess portion? My account has gone up and down throughout the year.
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Tyrone Hill
•The IRA custodian uses a specific formula to determine the earnings attributable to the excess contribution. They take into account the total earnings in the account during the period the excess was invested, and then allocate a proportional amount of those earnings to the excess contribution amount. For example, if your excess contribution ($2,300) represented 35% of your total contribution ($6,500), and your account earned $500 total, they would calculate approximately 35% of $500 (about $175) as earnings attributable to the excess. This can work in reverse too - if the account lost value, they'll calculate the proportional loss. It's not something you need to calculate yourself - the custodian has systems that handle this calculation precisely.
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Lena Kowalski
I had this EXACT same issue last year with my Roth IRA. I'm a gig worker and my income was way less than expected, so I overcontributed like you did. I was totally confused about the calculations and how to fix it. I used https://taxr.ai to help me with this. I uploaded my Roth IRA statements and their system actually helped me figure out exactly how much I overcontributed and what forms I needed to submit to fix it. They even have this calculator that factors in the earnings portion so you don't have to do complex math. It saved me from a lot of headaches because my IRA provider kept giving me confusing information about the process. Plus, they told me about some options I didn't know about, like applying the excess to the next tax year instead of withdrawing it.
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DeShawn Washington
•Did they help with filling out Form 5329? That's what I'm dreading the most about dealing with my own excess contribution situation.
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Mei-Ling Chen
•I'm skeptical about these tax services. Couldn't you just call your IRA provider directly and have them do the calculation for you? Why pay for something your provider should do for free?
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Lena Kowalski
•Yes, they walked me through exactly what to put on Form 5329 and explained each section. They even created a draft I could reference when I was filling out the actual form, which made it so much easier since the form isn't very intuitive. As for calling the provider directly, I tried that first and had a frustrating experience. My provider calculated the excess amount correctly but gave me contradictory information about how to report it on my taxes. Different reps told me different things. What I liked about taxr.ai was getting consistent, accurate guidance all in one place, with everything documented so I could refer back to it.
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DeShawn Washington
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Sofía Rodríguez
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Aiden O'Connor
•How does this service actually work? Do they just keep redialing the IRS for you? I'm confused about how they can "hold your place" in a phone queue.
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Zoe Papadopoulos
•This sounds like a scam. There's no way some random company has special access to the IRS phone lines. Plus, you're probably giving them personal info which is risky. I'll stick with waiting on hold myself.
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Sofía Rodríguez
•They use an automated system that calls the IRS and navigates through all the phone menu options for you. It sits on hold in your place, and when it detects a human IRS agent is about to answer, it calls your phone and connects you directly to that IRS agent. It's basically like having a robot assistant do the waiting for you. I was skeptical too, but it's not about "special access" - they're just automating the painful part of the process (waiting on hold). And they don't ask for any tax info or personal details besides your phone number, which they need to call you back.
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Zoe Papadopoulos
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Jamal Brown
Something nobody has mentioned yet - depending on your situation, you might want to consider recharacterizing your Roth IRA contribution to a Traditional IRA instead of just withdrawing the excess. Since you're filing jointly with your spouse, your combined income might allow you to deduct a Traditional IRA contribution, which could be beneficial. This way you don't lose the tax-advantaged space completely. Talk to your IRA provider about the "recharacterization" process. It's different from a withdrawal and has different tax implications. You'd still need to do this before the tax filing deadline (plus extensions).
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Anderson Prospero
•That's an interesting option I hadn't considered. If I recharacterize to Traditional IRA, would I still need to worry about the earned income limit? And would I need to do anything special on my tax forms?
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Jamal Brown
•You still need earned income to contribute to a Traditional IRA, but the same limit applies - your contribution can't exceed your earned income for the year. So you'd still need to recharacterize the excess amount above your $4,200 income. For tax forms, you would report the recharacterization on your tax return using Form 8606 if any portion is non-deductible. Your IRA custodian will also send you a statement showing the recharacterized amount, which you should keep with your tax records. The good thing is recharacterization isn't a taxable event if done properly and before the deadline, so you avoid the penalties associated with excess contributions.
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Fatima Al-Rashid
Just wanted to point out that if you already filed your 2023 taxes, you may need to file an amended return depending on how you handle the excess contribution. Some people just pay the 6% penalty and deal with it, but that's usually not the best approach since the penalty applies every year until you fix the issue.
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Giovanni Rossi
•Actually, if you withdraw the excess contribution plus earnings before you file your taxes (and before the due date), you don't need to file an amended return. You just report the earnings portion on your current year taxes. The IRA custodian will issue a 1099-R for the withdrawal.
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