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Accidentally exceeded Roth IRA contribution limit by $500 - easiest fix?

I just realized I messed up our Roth IRA contributions for 2023. Last week I put $4500 into both my Roth IRA and my spouse's Roth IRA, thinking we were under the income limits based on the IRA guidelines. Well, now I'm using FreeTaxUsa to file and got hit with an alert saying our MAGI only allows us to contribute $4000 each. This is the first time we've ever hit the income threshold limits and I'm not sure what to do about the $500 excess in each account. What are my options here? The whole process seems confusing... * Should I just withdraw the extra $500 from each Roth back to our checking account? Do I have to pay the 6% penalty on those withdrawals? * Would it make more sense to open Traditional IRAs for both of us and move the $500 from each Roth into those accounts? I'm mostly looking for the simplest solution rather than what saves the most money, since we're only talking about $500 per account. Any advice on handling this Roth IRA over-contribution would be appreciated!

Diego Chavez

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The simplest solution would be to contact Vanguard and request a "return of excess contribution" for the $500 from each Roth IRA. This is a common situation, and they have a specific process for it. When you request the return of excess contribution, be sure to specify that it's for tax year 2023. Vanguard will withdraw not only the $500 excess amount but also any earnings attributed to that excess amount. The earnings (if any) would be taxable for 2023, but you won't have to pay the 6% excess contribution penalty if you complete this before your tax filing deadline (including extensions). You don't pay the 6% penalty on withdrawals - that penalty applies if you leave the excess contribution in the account. The process is specifically designed to help people correct these kinds of mistakes.

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If they already filed their taxes though, would they need to amend? Or can they still do the return of excess contribution and just deal with it on next year's taxes?

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Diego Chavez

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If they've already filed their taxes, they still have options. The best approach is to remove the excess contribution (plus earnings) before October 15, 2024 (the extended deadline). If they do this, they would need to file an amended return to report any earnings on the excess contribution as income. If they haven't filed yet, they can make the correction now and file normally. The important thing is to get the excess out of the account to avoid that 6% penalty, which continues each year the excess remains in the account.

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Sean O'Brien

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Zara Shah

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Luca Bianchi

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How does it handle the earnings calculation? That's the part I've always found confusing about excess contributions. Do you just upload statements or what?

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Sean O'Brien

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You don't provide any login information - you just upload PDF statements or screenshots showing your contribution and current balance. It uses those to calculate the proportional earnings on the excess amount. The tool actually walks you through exactly what you need for the earnings calculation. You upload your contribution confirmation and a recent statement, and it figures out what portion of your earnings belongs to that excess contribution. It generates a document you can provide to your IRA provider that shows exactly what needs to be removed.

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Luca Bianchi

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Just wanted to update - I tried that taxr.ai tool that was mentioned and it worked perfectly for my situation! I wasn't sure if it would be worth it, but it saved me so much headache. The earnings calculation was actually pretty significant in my case since the market has been up since I made the contribution. I wouldn't have known how to figure that out correctly on my own. I just took the document it generated to Vanguard and they processed my return of excess contribution without any issues. No more worrying about that 6% penalty!

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Nia Harris

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How exactly does that work? Do they just call Vanguard for you or what? Seems like they would need your account info to talk to anyone.

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Sorry but this sounds like BS. How can some random service get you to the front of Vanguard's phone queue? I've spent plenty of time on hold with financial companies and there's no magic way to skip the line.

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They don't call for you or need any of your account info. The service just navigates the phone tree and waits on hold in your place. When they reach a real person, they connect the call to your phone so you can handle the conversation directly. I was skeptical too before trying it. It's not about skipping the line - you still wait your turn, but you don't have to personally sit there listening to hold music for an hour. They just hold your place and call you when a human finally picks up. Made dealing with my IRA issue so much less frustrating because I could go about my day instead of being stuck on the phone.

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Aisha Ali

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Another option you have is to "recharacterize" that $500 from each Roth IRA to Traditional IRA. This effectively treats it as if you originally contributed to a Traditional IRA instead of a Roth. If you're over the Roth income limits, you're probably also over the deductible Traditional IRA limits if you have workplace retirement plans, so the $500 would be a non-deductible Traditional IRA contribution. This could be useful if you're planning to do a backdoor Roth conversion at some point.

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AstroAlpha

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Thanks for this suggestion. If I recharacterize to Traditional, would I need to file any special forms with my taxes this year? And can I just open a Traditional IRA now even though the contribution was technically made in 2023?

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Aisha Ali

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Yes, you would need to file Form 8606 with your tax return to report the non-deductible Traditional IRA contribution. This is important because it establishes your "basis" in the Traditional IRA, which will matter for tax purposes if you ever convert that money to a Roth in the future. You can open a Traditional IRA now even though the contribution was for 2023. The recharacterization process will treat it as if you made the contribution to the Traditional IRA in the first place. Just make sure you complete the recharacterization before your tax filing deadline (including extensions).

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Ethan Moore

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Wait, I'm confused about something. If you're at the income limit for Roth contributions, wouldn't the phase-out mean you can contribute SOME amount rather than nothing? Like if the phase-out range starts at $218k and ends at $228k for married filing jointly, and you're somewhere in that range, you should be able to calculate the exact amount you can contribute. FreeTaxUSA should do this calculation for you.

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Yuki Nakamura

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That's exactly what happened. OP said FreeTaxUSA calculated they could contribute $4000 each rather than the full $6500. So they're in the phase-out range, not completely over it. They contributed $4500 each, which is $500 over what's allowed at their income level.

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