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Edison Estevez

Can I reverse my Roth IRA conversion from last year to avoid the tax burden?

I converted around $250,000 from my traditional rollover IRAs to Roth accounts in 2023. Unfortunately, I got hit with a massive tech layoff this past November and still haven't found a new position. The real gut punch came while doing my taxes - I'm looking at an $80,000 tax bill primarily because of these conversions, and honestly, I just don't have that kind of money sitting around right now. Is there any way I can "undo" these conversions or somehow reconvert back to a traditional rollover IRA before taxes are due? This would hopefully eliminate this enormous tax burden. My plan would be to then convert the funds more gradually in the future when I'm employed again and in a better financial position. My main goal is to get rid of this $80,000 tax bill for this season. Any advice would be really appreciated! Starting to panic a bit as the filing deadline approaches.

Unfortunately, the option to recharacterize (or "undo") Roth IRA conversions was eliminated by the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act starting in 2018. Prior to that change, you could reverse a Roth conversion, but that's no longer possible. That said, you do have some options to manage this tax burden. First, even without the funds on hand, you should still file your tax return on time to avoid additional penalties. The IRS offers installment plans that let you pay over time. For your situation, you could qualify for a long-term payment plan where you make monthly payments until the balance is paid off. You might also consider taking a loan or withdrawal from your Roth IRA to pay the taxes, though this comes with its own implications. If it's been less than 5 years since the conversion, you may face additional penalties on earnings (though not on the converted amounts themselves).

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James Johnson

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Thanks for the info. If I set up an installment plan with the IRS, what kind of interest rates am I looking at? And is there a maximum timeframe I can spread the payments over for a $80k bill?

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The IRS charges both interest and a penalty on unpaid tax debt. Currently, the interest rate is federal short-term rate plus 3%, which changes quarterly (around 7-8% recently). You'll also face a failure-to-pay penalty of 0.5% per month up to 25% of the unpaid amount. For a tax debt of $80,000, you can request up to 72 months (6 years) on a standard installment agreement. This would make your payments around $1,100-1,300 per month depending on the exact interest calculations. You can apply online for debts up to $50,000, but for $80,000 you'll need to call the IRS or complete Form 9465.

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I'm always skeptical of these tax tool claims. The tax code is pretty clear on Roth conversions - you pay taxes on the amount converted. Did it actually reduce your tax liability or just help organize what you already knew? $80k is a massive bill!

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Grace Patel

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One thing to consider is whether you qualify for penalty abatement even though you can't undo the conversion. The IRS has a First Time Penalty Abatement policy that could at least remove the failure-to-pay penalties (though not the interest). You need to have a clean compliance history for the past 3 years. This won't eliminate the tax itself but could save you thousands in penalties. Worth asking about when you speak with the IRS. Also, make sure you're accounting for any basis you had in your traditional IRAs (money you contributed after-tax). That portion of the conversion shouldn't be taxed again.

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Thanks for mentioning the First Time Penalty Abatement - I didn't know about that. I've never had any tax issues before, so hopefully I'd qualify. Regarding basis, all of my traditional IRAs were from 401k rollovers, so I believe it's all pre-tax money. Is there any way to spread this tax burden across multiple years, even though the conversion already happened?

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Grace Patel

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Unfortunately, there's no way to spread the tax burden across multiple years for a conversion that's already complete. The entire converted amount is included in your income for the year of conversion. If you're facing financial hardship due to unemployment, definitely discuss Currently Not Collectible status with the IRS. This doesn't forgive the debt, but it temporarily halts collection actions until your financial situation improves. Interest still accrues, but it gives you breathing room. Once you find employment, you could then set up a formal installment agreement based on your new income.

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ApolloJackson

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Make sure you explore all possible deductions/credits to offset some of this conversion income! Unemployment often makes people eligible for credits they wouldn't normally get. Check if you qualify for the Earned Income Credit, education credits if you took any classes, or increased medical expense deductions (threshold is lower when income drops). Also, since you were laid off, don't forget to deduct any job search expenses that might be eligible. Every little bit helps when facing a big tax bill from Roth conversions!

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Just FYI, job search expenses aren't deductible anymore since the 2017 tax law changes. That was eliminated along with a lot of other miscellaneous deductions.

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Miguel Silva

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I'm really sorry to hear about your situation - getting hit with unemployment and a massive tax bill at the same time is incredibly stressful. Since you can't undo the conversion, here are a few additional strategies to consider: First, if you haven't already, make sure you're maximizing your 2023 deductions. Since you were unemployed for part of the year, you might qualify for larger medical expense deductions (they need to exceed 7.5% of AGI), and any charitable contributions you made could help offset some of the conversion income. Second, consider whether you have any capital losses in taxable investment accounts that you could harvest to offset some of the ordinary income from the conversion. While capital losses primarily offset capital gains, you can use up to $3,000 per year to offset ordinary income, with any excess carrying forward to future years. Finally, when you do speak with the IRS, emphasize your unemployment situation. They're often more willing to work with taxpayers facing genuine financial hardship. Document everything about your job search efforts and financial situation - this will support any hardship claims. The combination of an installment plan, penalty abatement if you qualify, and maximizing all possible deductions should help make this more manageable. Hang in there!

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Diego Rojas

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This is really comprehensive advice, thanks Miguel. One thing I'm curious about - you mentioned capital losses can offset ordinary income up to $3,000 per year. Given that my conversion created $250k in ordinary income, would it be worth harvesting losses even if I can only use $3k this year? Or should I save those losses for when I have capital gains to offset in future years? Also, has anyone dealt with the IRS while unemployed? I'm worried they'll be less sympathetic since the Roth conversion was technically a choice I made, even though I couldn't have predicted getting laid off. Any tips for how to frame this conversation?

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