Can I deduct LLC losses with no profit? New business tax question
Hey all tax gurus, I just opened an LLC (operating as a sole proprietorship) back in September 2024 and I'm super confused about filing my taxes. Basically, I had zero income from the business since it's brand new, but I did have to spend about $3,200 on equipment to get things off the ground. When I went to H&R Block yesterday, the tax preparer told me I couldn't deduct any of those startup losses because my business didn't make any money yet. They said something about needing to have profit to claim losses? That doesn't sound right to me. I've been reading online and everything I've seen says I still need to file taxes for my LLC even with no profit, and I thought I could deduct those initial expenses. Can someone please clarify this for me? Can I really not deduct my business expenses just because I didn't make any money in the first few months? I'm totally lost here.
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StarStrider
You absolutely CAN deduct business losses in your first year, even without any income! The tax preparer you spoke with was giving you incorrect information. As a sole proprietorship LLC, your business activities are reported on Schedule C of your personal tax return (Form 1040). You should report all your legitimate business expenses on this schedule, even if you had $0 in revenue. This will create a net loss, which typically flows through to your personal return and can offset other income you might have. The only real limitation here would be if the IRS considers your business a "hobby" rather than a legitimate profit-seeking venture. But a new business in its first few months of operation with startup expenses is completely normal and doesn't trigger hobby loss concerns yet. I'd recommend finding a different tax preparer who has experience with small businesses and startups. Those initial equipment purchases are exactly the kind of legitimate business expenses you should be deducting!
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Isabella Santos
•Thanks so much for this info! I was really confused because the preparer seemed so confident. Do these startup expenses go on a specific form, or just the regular Schedule C? And does it matter if the equipment will last for several years - do I need to depreciate it instead of just writing it all off?
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StarStrider
•All your business expenses will go on Schedule C, which is specifically for business profit or loss from a sole proprietorship. For equipment that has a useful life of more than one year, you generally need to depreciate it over several years rather than deducting it all at once. However, there are exceptions that might let you deduct the full amount in the first year. Section 179 allows immediate expensing of certain business equipment up to $1,120,000 (for 2024). There's also bonus depreciation which allows for additional first-year deductions. These are extremely helpful for new businesses like yours.
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Ravi Gupta
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Freya Pedersen
•Did it help you categorize what counts as startup expenses vs regular business expenses? I'm confused about when something is considered a startup cost vs just a regular business deduction.
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Anastasia Fedorov
Just a quick note since people are talking about startup expenses - you might be conflating two different concepts. There are: 1. Business startup costs (organizational costs, market research, etc.) - these have special rules where you can deduct up to $5k immediately and amortize the rest over 15 years 2. Regular business expenses and equipment purchases - these go on Schedule C, with equipment potentially subject to depreciation rules For an LLC filing as a sole prop, everything goes on your personal return via Schedule C. And yes, you can absolutely have losses without income! That's totally normal for a new business.
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Isabella Santos
•Thanks for distinguishing between those two types of expenses! Most of my costs were for computer equipment and software subscriptions. Would those count as startup costs or regular business expenses? And does it make a difference for my ability to deduct them in year 1?
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Anastasia Fedorov
•Computer equipment and software subscriptions would typically be considered regular business expenses, not startup costs. Startup costs are more about the actual formation of the business itself (legal fees, state filing fees, initial market research, etc.). For the equipment, you have several options. You can use Section 179 to deduct the full cost immediately (up to the annual limit, which is well over a million dollars), you can take bonus depreciation, or you can depreciate over the useful life of the assets. Software subscriptions are generally just deducted as regular expenses in the year you pay them. None of this is affected by whether you had income or not - you can absolutely claim these deductions against zero revenue.
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Sean Doyle
Something nobody has mentioned yet - make sure you have a clear business plan and documentation showing your intent to make a profit! If you claim business losses for too many years, the IRS might reclassify your business as a hobby, which would disallow your deductions. This isn't an issue in your first year at all, but keep good records showing efforts to generate revenue, marketing attempts, business development, etc. The IRS generally looks for profitability in 3 out of 5 years for most businesses (5 out of 7 for horse-related businesses, oddly enough).
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Zara Rashid
•I learned this the hard way! Had losses for 4 years with my "business" making custom furniture and got audited. They determined it was a hobby because I had no business plan, no separate business bank account, and no real marketing strategy. Cost me thousands in back taxes when they disallowed all my deductions from previous years.
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