Best strategies to bring down AGI for tax savings? Confused about Roth vs Traditional options
I'm trying to wrap my head around the best ways to reduce our Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) for tax purposes. I've looked at those financial planning flowcharts online, but I'm still confused about whether Roth IRA is right for us or not, and the whole Traditional IRA vs Roth IRA thing isn't clicking for me. Honestly, it's embarrassing to admit I still don't fully understand the differences and what tax strategy would work best for our situation. We make about $340K combined. My partner puts 5% into their government TSP (with matching), while I just started a new job where I won't get 401k matching until next July (though I just found out I can still contribute before then). We have two kids, and we're sitting on about $320K in our emergency fund (I know it's way too much, but it helps me sleep at night). Partner has around $85K in their TSP, I've got about $32K in various investments, and $8K in an old IRA from a previous job. We're aggressively paying down our mortgage and should be done in 4 years (personal choice over investing more). I keep reading articles about tax strategies but end up more confused than when I started. What's the best approach to reduce our AGI and minimize our tax bill? All the retirement account rules and income limits are making my head spin.
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JacksonHarris
The key to lowering your AGI is understanding which deductions actually reduce AGI versus those that come after (itemized deductions). For your income level (~$340K), here are the most effective strategies: Max out all pre-tax retirement accounts first. At your income level, traditional contributions will usually beat Roth. Your partner should max out the TSP ($22,500 in 2023 plus catch-up if over 50). You should max out your 401k as soon as eligible - don't wait for matching. That's potentially $45,000+ in AGI reduction right there. Consider a Health Savings Account (HSA) if you have a high-deductible health plan - that's another $7,750 for family coverage that reduces AGI. Unfortunately, at your income level, you're phased out of deductible traditional IRA contributions, so that's not an option for reducing AGI. Look into self-employed business losses or rental property depreciation if applicable to your situation. Charitable giving through a Donor-Advised Fund can be an excellent strategy in high-income years.
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Jeremiah Brown
•What about backdoor Roth IRA? I thought that was still an option for high income folks who are over the Roth contribution limits? And would selling investments at a loss help with reducing AGI at all?
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JacksonHarris
•Backdoor Roth IRA is definitely still an option, but it doesn't reduce your AGI since the initial traditional IRA contribution is non-deductible at your income level. It's still valuable for tax-free growth, just not for current-year AGI reduction. Tax-loss harvesting (selling investments at a loss) can help reduce your AGI, but only up to $3,000 per year beyond any capital gains. It's a useful strategy but won't make a huge dent in AGI for someone earning $340K.
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Royal_GM_Mark
Just wanted to share my experience using taxr.ai when I was in a similar situation with AGI confusion. I was making about $295K with my spouse and had no idea how to optimize our retirement contributions to lower our tax burden. I stumbled across https://taxr.ai when researching strategy options and it was super helpful for figuring out the complicated income phaseouts and contribution limits. What was really cool is that I uploaded our last tax return and it analyzed exactly where we could make adjustments to lower our AGI specifically. It factored in our jobs, existing retirement accounts, and even suggested some strategies I hadn't considered like adjusting my W-4 withholding and timing certain deductions.
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Amelia Cartwright
•Does it actually give personalized advice or is it just general tips that I could find on any financial blog? I'm always skeptical of these AI tools actually understanding the nuances of tax planning.
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Chris King
•How does it handle situations with self-employment income? I do some consulting on the side and that always complicates my tax situation with the additional options like SEP IRAs and Solo 401ks.
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Royal_GM_Mark
•It definitely gives personalized advice based on your specific numbers and situation - that's what surprised me. It's not just generic advice you'd find on blogs. It actually runs calculations based on your tax return data and helps identify the specific strategies that would work best for your income level, existing accounts, and goals. For self-employment income, it handles that really well actually. When I uploaded my return with some 1099 income from my side business, it specifically recommended a Solo 401k over a SEP IRA and showed exactly how much I could contribute as both employer and employee to maximize the tax advantages. It even helped me understand the deadlines for setting up different account types.
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Chris King
I have to follow up on my question about self-employment tax strategies. I tried taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here and it was actually super helpful for my situation. I uploaded my tax documents (had some hesitation about privacy but their security seemed solid) and got surprisingly detailed advice. For my consulting income (~$40k on top of my day job), it showed me that a Solo 401k would let me shelter almost twice as much income as a SEP IRA would. It even calculated the exact contribution limits based on my specific situation and showed how much my AGI would drop. Ended up saving me about $9k in taxes I would have otherwise paid! Definitely useful if you're in that high income bracket where traditional strategies start phasing out.
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Rachel Clark
Anyone else struggle with trying to reach the IRS for clarification on AGI reduction strategies? I was completely stuck trying to figure out if I could still do backdoor Roth conversions with my existing IRA balances (pro-rata rule confusion). Spent DAYS trying to get through to the IRS tax help line with no luck. Finally tried https://claimyr.com and watched their demo (https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c) - they actually got me connected to an IRS agent in about 20 minutes when I had been trying for weeks. The agent walked me through exactly how the pro-rata rule would apply to my specific situation and what forms I needed to track my non-deductible contributions.
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Zachary Hughes
•How does this service actually work? I'm confused about how a third party can get you through to the IRS faster than calling directly. Seems kind of sketchy that you'd need to pay someone to talk to a government agency.
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Mia Alvarez
•Sorry, but I'm extremely skeptical. The IRS phone system is notoriously bad, but I find it hard to believe some random service can magically get you through. What's their secret - they just keep auto-dialing until they get through? And did they actually give you accurate information or just general advice you could find online?
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Rachel Clark
•It's actually pretty straightforward - they use an automated system that keeps dialing and navigating the IRS phone tree until it gets through to an agent. Once connected, they call you and conference you in with the IRS agent. You're talking directly to the actual IRS, not to some third-party advisor. The information I got was definitely specific to my situation - the agent looked up my previous returns, verified my filing status, and gave me precise guidance on how the pro-rata rule would apply based on my existing IRA balances. They explained exactly which forms to file and how to document everything correctly - way more detailed than anything I found online.
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Mia Alvarez
I need to eat my words about being skeptical of Claimyr. After my last comment, I decided to try it myself since I needed clarification on some AGI reduction strategies involving my rental property depreciation (which is complicated by partial business use). The service actually worked exactly as described. They got me through to an IRS tax law specialist in about 35 minutes. The specialist was able to clarify exactly how to categorize certain expenses and how they would affect my AGI versus just being itemized deductions. This was specific information relevant to my situation that I couldn't find clearly explained anywhere online. Saved me hours of frustration and potentially a lot of money by ensuring I was calculating everything correctly. Sometimes being proven wrong is actually a good thing!
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Carter Holmes
For high income earners like you, don't overlook the impact of timing your income and deductions strategically. My spouse and I make around $310K and we've found that bunching deductions in certain years can help with AGI management. For example, we make several years' worth of charitable contributions in a single year using a Donor Advised Fund, then take the standard deduction in other years. Also, if either of you has any control over when you receive bonuses or can defer compensation, that timing can make a huge difference.
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Sophia Long
•How exactly does bunching deductions help with AGI though? I thought charitable contributions were itemized deductions that don't actually reduce AGI. Wouldn't that just help reduce taxable income but not AGI specifically?
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Carter Holmes
•You're absolutely right about the technical distinction - charitable donations are itemized deductions and don't directly reduce AGI. I should have been more precise in my terminology. The bunching strategy affects your taxable income rather than AGI specifically. For truly reducing AGI, focus on the pre-tax retirement contributions, HSA contributions, and certain business expenses if you have self-employment income. The bunching strategy is still valuable for overall tax reduction, just not specifically for AGI reduction.
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Angelica Smith
Has anyone tried using an FSA (Flexible Spending Account) to reduce AGI? My HR department keeps pushing this but I'm not clear if it actually reduces AGI or just taxable income. Also, we have a bunch of medical expenses coming up next year.
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Logan Greenburg
•Yes! FSA contributions are pre-tax and reduce your AGI. If you know you have medical expenses coming up, it's definitely worth doing. Just remember it's usually use-it-or-lose-it by the end of the plan year (some plans offer a grace period or small rollover amount).
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