Pro-Rata Rule Confusion: Managing Multiple Roth IRAs & Traditional IRA Transfers

The backdoor Roth strategy is perfectly legal, but you've run into the pro-rata rule trap, which is a common misunderstanding. The pro-rata rule comes into play because you have pre-tax money in a Traditional IRA while attempting backdoor Roth conversions. Here's what's happening: When you do a backdoor Roth, you're supposed to make a non-deductible contribution to a Traditional IRA first, then convert it to a Roth. But the IRS looks at ALL your Traditional IRA money as one pool - they don't care which specific dollars you're converting. The pro-rata rule means your conversion is taxed proportionally based on the ratio of non-deductible to pre-tax funds across ALL your Traditional IRAs. With $250,000 in your Traditional IRA (mostly pre-tax from 401k rollovers) and only $7,500 non-deductible contributions, about 97% of any conversion would be taxable. Your tax guy is confused though - you don't need to withdraw the Roth money. The issue isn't about income limits for direct Roth contributions; it's about the tax treatment of the backdoor conversion with existing pre-tax IRA funds. One solution would be to see if your current employer's 401(k) allows reverse rollovers - moving your Traditional IRA money back into your workplace retirement plan, which would remove it from the pro-rata calculation.

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I'm eating crow here. After dismissing Claimyr in my earlier comment, I decided to try it out of desperation. Got through to an IRS agent in about 25 minutes after spending literally WEEKS trying on my own. The agent confirmed exactly what others here have said - I don't need to withdraw anything from my Roth accounts. I just need to properly report the taxable portion of the conversion on Form 8606. The agent walked me through how the pro-rata calculation works and confirmed that my wife's IRAs don't affect my calculation (and vice versa). They also explained that maxing out 401k/403b plans has absolutely nothing to do with backdoor Roth eligibility - your tax guy is mixing up different concepts there. The income limits only affect direct Roth contributions, not backdoor conversions. My accountant had me all worked up for nothing!

One option nobody has mentioned yet is to consider a "mega backdoor Roth" if your current 401k plan allows after-tax contributions beyond the standard pre-tax/Roth limits. This could be a way to get more money into Roth accounts without dealing with the pro-rata issues. For your existing situation, you need to carefully track your non-deductible contributions on Form 8606 every year so you're not double-taxed later. Any accountant who confuses backdoor Roth strategies with income limits for direct contributions might not be familiar enough with these strategies.

I'm confused why people are suggesting such complicated solutions. If your income is below the Roth IRA contribution limits as you mentioned, why not just contribute directly to your Roth IRAs instead of doing backdoor conversions?

Your tax professional seems to be mixing up several different concepts here, which is unfortunately pretty common with backdoor Roth strategies. Let me help clarify what's actually happening: 1. **You don't need to withdraw anything from your Roth IRAs.** The money is already there legally - the issue is just how much tax you owed on the conversions. 2. **The pro-rata rule means you owe taxes on most of your conversions.** With $250k in pre-tax Traditional IRA money and only small non-deductible contributions, roughly 97% of each conversion was taxable income that should have been reported on your tax returns. 3. **Your spouse's situation is completely separate.** If she doesn't have pre-tax Traditional IRA balances, her backdoor Roth conversions work normally with minimal tax impact. 4. **Maxing out 401k/403b has nothing to do with this.** Your tax guy is confusing workplace retirement plan limits with IRA strategies. 5. **Income limits don't prevent backdoor conversions.** They only affect direct Roth contributions. The whole point of backdoor Roth is to get around those limits. For going forward, consider asking your current employer if their 401k accepts reverse rollovers. Moving your Traditional IRA balance back into a workplace plan would eliminate the pro-rata problem for future conversions. You'll also need to make sure Form 8606 was filed correctly for all years to track your non-deductible contributions. Might be worth getting a second opinion from a CPA who specializes in retirement planning - these strategies require specific expertise that not all tax professionals have.