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Don't forget about state-specific considerations! Different states handle property transfers between family members very differently. Some states have documentary stamp taxes or transfer taxes that apply even to family sales, while others have exemptions. Also, if you're in a community property state, there might be additional rules about how the ownership transfer needs to be documented, especially if either of you are married. Your state might also require specific disclosures even for family transactions - California, for example, requires a Transfer Disclosure Statement even between relatives. I'd strongly recommend checking with your state's department of revenue or a local real estate attorney who knows your state's specific requirements. What works in one state might create problems in another, and the last thing you want is to find out after the fact that you missed a required filing or tax payment.
This is such a crucial point that often gets overlooked in family property transfers! I learned this the hard way when I helped my cousin with a similar transaction a few years ago. We focused so much on the federal tax implications that we completely missed our state's documentary stamp tax requirements until the very last minute. In our case, the state required us to file specific forms and pay transfer taxes within 30 days of the sale, regardless of it being a family transaction. We almost faced penalties because we didn't realize this until we went to record the deed. The county clerk's office was actually really helpful in explaining what we needed to do, but it would have been much easier if we'd known upfront. @b6ca316eeb5f is absolutely right about checking with local authorities early in the process. Even if you think you're exempt from certain requirements because it's a family sale, it's worth double-checking rather than assuming. Some states also have different rules for transfers involving outstanding mortgages, which could definitely apply to your situation.
One additional consideration that could significantly impact your situation - make sure to check if your current mortgage has a "due on sale" clause. Most conventional mortgages include language stating that the full loan balance becomes immediately due if you transfer ownership without the lender's permission, even to family members. While many lenders don't actively enforce this for family transfers, especially when payments continue to be made on time, it's still a contractual obligation. Some lenders might require your sister to formally assume the loan or could potentially call the loan due if they discover the transfer. I'd recommend contacting your mortgage servicer to discuss your plans and see what options they offer for family transfers. Some lenders have specific programs for transferring mortgages to relatives, while others might require your sister to qualify for assumption of the existing loan. Getting their blessing upfront could save you from potential complications later. Also, don't forget to notify your homeowner's insurance company about the ownership change. The policy will need to be updated to reflect your sister as the new owner, and there might be timing requirements for when this needs to happen relative to the property transfer.
I've been in your exact shoes! Had an 811 freeze for 280+ days that finally got removed in November, then immediately got hit with a 570 just like you. I was SO frustrated thinking I'd have to start all over again. But here's the thing - that 570 after an 811 removal is actually the IRS saying "we're almost done, just doing final checks." Mine cleared with a 571 code exactly 18 days later and I had my DD 3 days after that. The key difference is the 811 was them verifying your identity/income (the slow part), but the 570 is just final processing now that everything's verified. Keep checking for that 571 code - you're literally weeks away from finally getting your money after this insane wait! š
Wow, 18 days is actually not too bad at all after what we've been through! š It's so helpful to hear from someone who went through this exact same sequence - 811 removal followed immediately by 570. I was definitely starting to panic thinking I'd have to restart this whole nightmare process. Your timeline gives me so much hope - if yours cleared in 18 days and DD came 3 days after the 571, that means I could actually have my money by the end of January! After 300+ days that feels like a miracle lol. Thanks for sharing the details, really needed to hear this success story right now! š
Hey Andre, I totally feel your pain after 300+ days - that's absolutely brutal! But honestly, you're actually in a really good spot now. The 570 code appearing right after your 811 freeze removal is super common and expected. Here's what's happening: the 811 was the IRS doing identity/income verification (the hard part that took forever), and now the 570 is just their final compliance review before cutting your refund. This second phase typically moves WAY faster - usually 1-3 weeks since all the heavy lifting is done. Keep checking your transcripts for a 571 code, which means the 570 hold is released. After surviving 300+ days, a few more weeks is nothing! You're literally in the home stretch now. The fact that they removed the 811 means you passed the major hurdle. Hang in there! š
One thing to be careful about - the MAGI thresholds for 2025 (based on 2023 income) have been adjusted for inflation. The threshold for the first IRMAA bracket for single filers is now $103,000, not $97,000 like it was previously. So your 2023 income of $112,229 is actually putting you in the first IRMAA bracket, not the second. Make sure you're looking at the current year's threshold chart when figuring out where you stand! Also, the 2-year lookback is what confuses most people. In 2025, they'll use your 2023 return. Completing the SSA-44 now documents your life-changing event (retirement) so when they look at your 2023 income in 2025, they'll have that documentation already in place.
Thank you for pointing this out! I was looking at an older chart. So my Roth conversion didn't push me as far into IRMAA territory as I initially thought. That's somewhat relieving. The 2-year lookback definitely makes this more complicated to plan around. So to clarify - if I keep my 2024 income under the threshold as indicated in Step 3, that would affect my IRMAA premiums in 2026, correct?
Yes, exactly right. Your 2024 income will determine your IRMAA in 2026. So keeping your 2024 income under the threshold is good planning. But the SSA-44 form you're filling out now is addressing a different issue - it's saying "don't use my 2023 income for 2025 IRMAA calculations because I had a life-changing event (retirement)." If approved, they'll instead look at your projected post-retirement income to determine your 2025 IRMAA.
The confusion around Step 3 is totally understandable! I went through this same process when I retired early in 2022. Step 3 essentially serves as a "heads up" to the SSA that your income situation is stabilizing at a lower level after your life-changing event. While it won't impact your current year's IRMAA, it creates a record that you anticipated the income reduction would continue. One thing I learned the hard way - make sure you're conservative with your Step 3 projection. If you put down $100,000 but your actual 2024 AGI ends up being higher (maybe you have unexpected capital gains or required distributions), it could complicate future appeals. The SSA likes consistency between projections and actual results. Also, don't forget that even though your 2023 Roth conversion pushed you over the threshold, retirement is still a qualifying life-changing event. The key is showing that your ongoing income (without that one-time conversion) is now substantially lower than what the 2-year lookback would suggest. Good luck with the appeal! The documentation you're creating now will definitely help streamline things when 2025 rolls around.
This is really helpful advice about being conservative with Step 3 projections! I hadn't thought about the potential complications if my actual income ends up higher than projected. Quick question - when you say "substantially lower," is there a specific percentage or dollar amount the SSA looks for when evaluating whether the ongoing income justifies the life-changing event appeal? Or is it more of a case-by-case assessment? Also, did you find that having the Roth conversion as a one-time event actually helped your case, since it clearly showed the income spike wasn't representative of your ongoing retirement income level?
Hey Malik, I see you already figured out it was an old parking ticket from 2020 through the Treasury Offset Program - that's exactly what I was going to suggest! This is super common and catches people off guard all the time. The good news is at least you know where your money went now, even if it's frustrating. For future reference, you can actually request an injured spouse allocation if you're married filing jointly and the debt belonged to your spouse before marriage. Also, some offsets can be appealed if you believe they're in error. The letter you should receive in the mail will have details about your rights and next steps if you want to dispute it. Glad you got it sorted out though - mystery solved! š
Thanks for the additional info about injured spouse allocation! I had no idea that was even a thing. Fortunately I'm single so that doesn't apply to me, but good to know for others who might be reading this thread. I'm definitely keeping an eye out for that letter in the mail - want to make sure this old parking ticket debt is actually legitimate and not some mistake. It's crazy how one forgotten ticket from 4 years ago can just suddenly appear and take your refund money! š¤
This is such a frustrating situation but unfortunately pretty common! Based on what you've shared, since your transcript shows the full amount but you only received a partial deposit, it's most likely either a Treasury Offset (which you already confirmed with the parking ticket) or your bank holding part of the funds. Since you found out about the parking ticket offset, that explains the difference. For anyone else reading this who might have a similar issue, here are the main things to check: 1. Call Treasury Offset Program at 800-304-3107 to check for any offsets 2. Contact your bank to see if they're holding part of the deposit 3. Check if your tax preparer deducted fees from your refund 4. Look for any adjustments the IRS made to your return (though these usually show on your transcript) The silver lining is that at least you know exactly what happened now, even though losing refund money to an old debt is never fun. Make sure you get that offset notice in the mail and verify all the details are correct!
Malik Davis
The complexity of your situation really highlights why the SECURE Act has created so much confusion for beneficiaries. You're dealing with both a "regular" inherited IRA and a double-inherited IRA, each with potentially different rules. One critical point that might affect you: if your dad had already started taking RMDs from either account before he passed (he would have been required to start at age 72), then you likely DO need to take annual RMDs during the 10-year period, not just empty the accounts by the deadline. This is a common misconception about the SECURE Act rules. Given the potential penalties involved (25% of missed distributions), I'd strongly recommend getting professional help ASAP. Look for a fee-only financial advisor who specializes in retirement account distributions - they'll typically charge a flat fee for this type of analysis rather than trying to sell you products. Also, don't panic about past penalties. The IRS has been relatively lenient with inherited IRA penalty waivers due to the widespread confusion around these rule changes. The key is addressing it now rather than continuing to wait.
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Diez Ellis
ā¢This is such helpful clarification about the RMD requirements during the 10-year period! I didn't realize that if the original account owner had already started RMDs, the beneficiary still needs to continue taking them annually. That's a huge distinction that could affect a lot of people. @bb9c276b2178 - given that your dad passed in 2022, he would have been required to start RMDs at 72 (or possibly 70.5 if he was born before July 1, 1949). So you very likely do need to take annual distributions from both accounts, not just empty them by 2032. This makes getting professional help even more urgent since you may have already missed required distributions for 2022, 2023, and 2024. The fee-only advisor recommendation is spot on too - you want someone who will give you objective advice without trying to sell you investment products during this stressful time.
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Sophia Carson
This is exactly the kind of complex inherited IRA situation where getting multiple professional opinions is crucial. Your dad's advisor being vague is unfortunately common - many advisors are still catching up on the SECURE Act nuances, especially for double-inherited IRAs like yours. One immediate action you should take: contact both IRA custodians directly and ask for the complete distribution history since your dad's passing. They should be able to tell you if any RMDs were required and missed for 2022, 2023, and 2024. This will give you a clear picture of what penalties you might be facing. For the double-inherited IRA specifically, since your uncle died in 2011 (pre-SECURE Act), your dad was taking stretch distributions. When you inherited it, the 10-year rule applies to you, BUT you also need to continue the annual RMDs during that 10-year period if your dad had already started them. Don't let the financial advisor's hesitation discourage you from seeking help. Look for someone who specifically advertises expertise in inherited IRAs and SECURE Act compliance. Many charge $200-500 for a comprehensive analysis, which is far less than potential penalties. The IRS penalty relief for inherited IRA confusion is real, but you need to act proactively to take advantage of it.
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Sofia Morales
ā¢This is really solid advice about contacting the custodians directly. I'm in a somewhat similar boat with an inherited 401k that got rolled to an IRA, and getting that distribution history was eye-opening - turns out I had been missing required distributions for two years without even knowing it. One thing I'd add is to ask the custodians specifically about their "inherited IRA calculation services" when you call. Some of the bigger firms (Fidelity, Schwab, etc.) actually have specialized departments that can run the RMD calculations for inherited accounts and tell you exactly what should have been distributed each year. They might charge a small fee, but it's way cheaper than hiring an advisor just to get the numbers. @bb9c276b2178 - definitely don't wait any longer on this. The penalty relief window won't be open forever, and the IRS has been pretty clear that "I didn't know" stops being a valid excuse once you've had reasonable time to figure things out after inheriting.
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