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Has anyone tried using the free file fillable forms from the IRS for a zero-income return? I don't want to pay for tax software if I'm not getting anything back.
This is really helpful info! I had no idea about refundable credits for people with zero income. Just to clarify though - when you say "enter $1" as a workaround, does that create any problems later? Like, am I technically lying on my tax return if my actual income was $0? I want to make sure I'm doing this correctly and not accidentally committing tax fraud or something. Also, does anyone know if there's a time limit on filing these zero-income returns? Like if I should have filed last year but didn't, can I still go back and file for 2023 to claim any credits I might have missed?
Great questions! For the $1 workaround - it's definitely not ideal to put incorrect information on your return. If your actual income was $0, you should report $0. The better approach is to use tax software that properly handles zero income entries, or file the forms directly with the IRS where you can enter actual zeros. Regarding time limits - yes, you can generally file returns for previous years! You typically have 3 years from the original due date to file and claim refunds/credits you missed. So for 2023, you'd have until April 2027 to file and claim any refundable credits. The IRS actually encourages people to file these "late" returns if they're owed money. I'd recommend using one of the tools mentioned earlier like taxr.ai to analyze what you might be eligible for, since there could be credits you're not aware of. Much better than guessing with the $1 entry!
Just wanted to share my recent experience as another Australian developer who went through this exact process! I submitted my W-8BEN for iTunes Connect about 3 months ago and learned a few things that might help. First, don't stress too much about the foreign tax ID field - I left mine blank initially because I didn't have an ABN at the time, and Apple still processed it without issues. You can always update your tax info later in iTunes Connect if you get an ABN down the track. The key thing that made the biggest difference was definitely checking box 9 for the treaty benefits. I can confirm the reduced withholding rate (5% instead of 30%) showed up on my very first payment, so it takes effect immediately once Apple processes your form. One tip I wish I'd known earlier: after you submit the W-8BEN, it can take Apple anywhere from 24-48 hours to process it. You'll get an email confirmation once it's approved, and then you can see the updated tax rate in your payments section. Also, make sure your legal name on the W-8BEN exactly matches what you used when setting up your Apple Developer account - any mismatch can cause delays. Good luck with your game launch! It's such an exciting milestone getting your first app ready for the store.
This is really reassuring to hear, Kelsey! I'm in the exact same boat as you were - no ABN yet but wanting to get my W-8BEN sorted ASAP. It's great to know that Apple will still process the form with that field blank and that I can update it later if needed. The 24-48 hour processing time is good to know too - I was wondering how long I'd be waiting after submission. Did you run into any issues with the name matching between your developer account and the W-8BEN? I'm paranoid about getting small details wrong and having to resubmit everything. Also super helpful to know the 5% withholding rate kicks in immediately! That's going to make a real difference to the bottom line once my game starts generating revenue. Thanks for taking the time to share your experience - it's exactly the kind of real-world insight I needed to feel confident about moving forward.
As someone who went through this exact same struggle last year, I completely understand the confusion! The W-8BEN form is definitely intimidating when you're dealing with it for the first time. Here's what I learned after making a few mistakes and having to resubmit: **The essentials for Australian developers:** - Leave the US taxpayer ID field blank (you don't need an ITIN for app royalties) - For the foreign tax ID, you can use your TFN or ABN if you have one, but it's actually optional - I left mine blank for privacy reasons and it was accepted - Reference number field stays empty - **Most important:** Check box 9 for treaty benefits - this drops your withholding from 30% to 5% - Leave box 10 blank unless you're claiming special exemptions (which you're not as a standard developer) **Pro tip:** Make sure your name on the form exactly matches your Apple Developer account. Even small differences like using a middle initial on one but not the other can cause rejection. The good news is once Apple processes it (usually within 48 hours), the reduced tax rate applies immediately to all future payments. It made a huge difference to my first few months of revenue! Don't overthink it - you've got this! Your game sounds exciting and this tax form is just a small hurdle before you can start earning from your hard work.
One additional thing to watch out for - if you're planning to continue trading T-Bills, you might want to consider making the de minimis election under Section 1273(a)(3). If the market discount is less than 0.25% of the face value multiplied by the number of complete years to maturity, you can elect to treat it as zero (meaning no interest income to report). For example, if you have a T-Bill with a face value of $10,000 maturing in 6 months, and the market discount is less than $12.50 (0.25% Ć $10,000 Ć 0.5 years), you could potentially elect to treat the discount as zero. This can simplify your tax reporting significantly if you're doing a lot of short-term T-Bill trading. The election is made by attaching a statement to your return, but like the constant yield method election, it needs to be made in the year you acquire the security. Worth considering for future purchases if you find yourself dealing with small market discount amounts regularly!
This is really helpful information about the de minimis election! I had no idea there was a threshold where you could essentially ignore small market discount amounts. That 0.25% rule could definitely apply to some of my smaller T-Bill trades. Just to make sure I understand the calculation correctly - for a $5,000 T-Bill maturing in 3 months, the threshold would be 0.25% Ć $5,000 Ć 0.25 years = $3.13? So if the market discount is less than $3.13, I could elect to treat it as zero? This could be a game-changer for my tax prep since I do trade smaller denomination T-Bills fairly frequently. Do you know if this election has to be made separately for each security, or can you make a blanket election for all qualifying securities acquired in a tax year?
Yes, your calculation is exactly right! For a $5,000 T-Bill with 3 months to maturity, the de minimis threshold would be $3.13. If the market discount is below that amount, you can elect to treat it as zero for tax purposes. Regarding the election scope - you actually make the election on a security-by-security basis, but you can include multiple securities in a single statement attached to your return. The statement should list each qualifying security and indicate you're making the Section 1273(a)(3) de minimis election for those specific instruments. One thing to keep in mind is that once you make this election for a particular type of debt instrument from a specific issuer, you generally need to apply it consistently to similar securities going forward. So if you elect de minimis treatment for Treasury Bills, you'd typically continue using that approach for future T-Bill purchases that qualify. This election can definitely simplify things if you're actively trading smaller T-Bills. Just make sure to keep good records of which securities qualify and which don't, since you'll still need to report market discount as interest income for any that exceed the threshold.
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I just want to add one more practical tip for anyone using TurboTax specifically. When you're entering the accrued market discount as interest income, make sure to enter it in the "Other Interest Income" section rather than trying to add it to any existing 1099-INT entries you might have. In TurboTax, go to Federal Taxes > Wages & Income > Interest and Dividends, then scroll down to the "Other Interest Income" section. Enter the $437 (or whatever your amount is) there and label it clearly as "Accrued Market Discount - T-Bill" in the description field. This keeps it separate from your regular interest income and makes it easier to track if you ever need to reference it later. The investment sales portion (for the proceeds and cost basis from your 1099B) should be entered separately in the Investment Income section under "Stocks, Mutual Funds, Bonds, Other." TurboTax will automatically calculate any capital gain/loss from that information. I learned this the hard way after initially trying to modify my 1099-INT entries and creating a mess that took forever to untangle. Keeping the market discount separate as "other interest income" is definitely the cleaner approach!
This is exactly the kind of step-by-step TurboTax guidance I needed! I was definitely going to make the mistake of trying to modify my existing 1099-INT entries. Your explanation about using the "Other Interest Income" section and labeling it clearly as "Accrued Market Discount - T-Bill" is perfect. I really appreciate how this whole thread has broken down such a confusing topic. Between the tax treatment explanations, the different calculation methods, the de minimis election info, and now the specific TurboTax instructions, I feel like I actually understand what I'm doing instead of just guessing. One quick follow-up question - when I enter this in the "Other Interest Income" section, will TurboTax automatically include it on Schedule B, or do I need to do anything else to make sure it gets reported in the right place on the actual forms?
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation doing freelance graphic design without any formal business registration. I've been terrified about reporting the income because I wasn't sure if I was "official" enough. Reading everyone's experiences really clarifies that reporting income and having proper licensing/registration are two completely separate issues. The IRS wants to know about ALL income regardless of whether you have the right permits or certifications. I'm definitely going to start implementing some of the tracking systems mentioned here - especially using an app to photograph receipts right away. I've probably missed out on so many legitimate deductions because I'm terrible at keeping paper receipts organized. The advice about setting aside 25-30% for taxes is also a wake-up call. I've been treating all my freelance income as "fun money" and would be in serious trouble come tax season. Starting a separate savings account for taxes this week! Thanks to everyone who shared their real experiences - it's so much more helpful than trying to figure this stuff out from confusing government websites.
I'm so glad this thread exists! I just started doing freelance bookkeeping from home and was having the exact same concerns about whether I need to be "officially registered" to report my income. One thing that really helped me was actually calling the IRS directly using that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier. The agent I spoke with was super clear that income reporting requirements are totally separate from business licensing or registration requirements. She said even if you're just doing odd jobs for cash, you still need to report it if it's over the filing threshold. I also wanted to add - for anyone doing freelance work, make sure you're getting 1099s from clients who pay you over $600. It makes your record-keeping so much easier and ensures you don't accidentally under-report income. Some of my clients didn't know they were supposed to send them, so I had to educate them too! @Zara Ahmed - definitely start that tax savings account! I use a high-yield savings account specifically for taxes so the money at least earns a little interest while I m'holding it for the IRS.
This whole discussion has been a lifesaver! I've been doing mobile pet grooming without proper licensing and was losing sleep over whether to report my income. Seeing everyone's experiences makes it so clear that the IRS and state licensing boards operate completely independently. I'm definitely going to implement the expense tracking tips mentioned here - I had no idea I could deduct things like my phone bill or even YouTube Premium if I use it to learn new grooming techniques! I've probably been leaving hundreds of dollars in deductions on the table. The 25-30% tax savings rule is going to be a game changer too. I've been spending everything I make and would have been in serious trouble come tax time. Opening a separate savings account tomorrow and starting fresh with better habits. One thing I wanted to add for other mobile service providers - don't forget to track your mileage between clients! I drive all over town for appointments and apparently that's a legitimate business deduction I've been missing out on. Every mile adds up! Thanks everyone for sharing your real-world experiences. It's so much more helpful than trying to decode IRS publications on your own!
This is such great advice about tracking mileage! I just started doing mobile massage therapy and hadn't even thought about deducting travel between clients. Do you use a specific app to track your mileage automatically, or do you log it manually? I'm also curious - for those of us doing mobile services, can we deduct things like car maintenance and gas as business expenses too, or is it better to stick with the standard mileage deduction? I'm trying to figure out which method would save me more money. The expense tracking tips in this thread have been eye-opening. I had no idea so many everyday things could be legitimate business deductions when you work from home or provide mobile services!
Statiia Aarssizan
This thread has been absolutely incredible - I'm amazed by the depth of practical advice everyone has shared! As someone who's been hesitating about making this same transition for months, reading through all these real-world experiences has given me the confidence to move forward. I particularly appreciate how the discussion evolved from the basic filing requirements to all the broader business implications. The points about updating operating agreements, reviewing insurance coverage, handling existing contracts, and coordinating state requirements were eye-opening - I definitely would have overlooked most of these aspects if I'd just focused on the IRS filings. The emphasis on documentation and verification throughout the process is also really valuable. Using certified mail, keeping detailed records, including cover letters that explicitly link the revocation statement and Form 8832, and following up with the IRS for written confirmation - these are the kinds of practical details that can make the difference between a smooth transition and months of headaches. One quick question for those who've been through this - did any of you encounter unexpected costs during the transition beyond the obvious items like legal/accounting fees? I'm trying to budget for this process and want to make sure I'm not missing any hidden expenses. Thanks again to everyone who took the time to share their experiences. This community is an incredible resource!
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Malik Johnson
ā¢Great question about unexpected costs! I went through this transition about a year ago and was surprised by a few expenses I hadn't budgeted for initially. The biggest unexpected cost for me was having to update my business insurance policies. My general liability and E&O coverage both required policy amendments when I changed from S corp to disregarded entity status, and there were processing fees for each change (about $150 total). I also had to pay my attorney to review and potentially amend three ongoing service contracts that had specific provisions related to my S corp status - that added about $800 in legal fees beyond what I'd budgeted for the basic entity classification guidance. Another surprise was that my business banking relationship required new documentation and account agreements for the classification change, which included some administrative fees I hadn't anticipated (around $75). On the positive side, I did save money by no longer needing payroll processing services for my reasonable salary, so that offset some of the transition costs. The certified mail costs for all the IRS submissions were minimal (maybe $20 total), but if you use a service like the ones mentioned earlier in this thread for IRS guidance or phone assistance, those could add to your budget. Overall, I'd suggest budgeting an extra $500-1000 beyond your expected legal/accounting fees to cover these kinds of administrative and compliance updates. Better to overestimate and be pleasantly surprised than to get caught short!
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Ethan Taylor
This has been an incredibly thorough and helpful discussion! As someone who's currently working through a similar S corp to disregarded entity transition, I wanted to add one more consideration that came up during my planning process. If you have any state-specific business licenses or permits that were issued based on your S corporation status, you may need to update or reapply for these after the classification change. In my case, I discovered that my state contractor's license was tied to my S corp EIN and classification, and I needed to file an amendment with the state licensing board to reflect the change back to disregarded entity status. This isn't something that would necessarily show up in the IRS guidance or even in discussions with your tax attorney, but it could affect your ability to continue operating legally in certain regulated industries. I'd recommend reviewing any professional licenses, permits, or certifications your business holds to see if they have entity-type requirements. Also, if you accept credit cards for your business, your merchant services provider may require notification of the entity classification change. Some processors have different fee structures or requirements based on entity type, so it's worth checking with them during your transition planning. The step-by-step filing approach everyone has outlined is excellent - just wanted to add these operational considerations to the comprehensive list that's been developed here. Thanks to everyone for sharing such detailed and practical advice!
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Chloe Anderson
ā¢This is such an important point about business licenses and permits! I hadn't even considered that some of these might be tied to specific entity classifications. That's definitely something I need to research for my situation. The merchant services consideration is also really valuable - I do accept credit cards for my business, so I'll need to reach out to my processor to understand if there are any notification requirements or potential changes to my account terms when I transition back to disregarded entity status. It's amazing how this thread has evolved to cover practically every aspect of this transition process. Between all the tax filing requirements, timing considerations, business operational changes, state compliance issues, and now licensing and payment processing implications, I feel like I have a complete roadmap for handling this properly. I'm definitely going to create a comprehensive checklist that includes all these different categories of items to address. It's clear that successful execution of this entity classification change requires coordination across multiple areas of the business, not just getting the IRS paperwork right. Thanks for adding these additional practical considerations - they could easily be overlooked during the planning process but might cause significant operational disruptions if not handled proactively!
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