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Title: Why does self employment tax seem so high compared to regular income? 1 My son works at this local pizza joint and also has his own side business. I'm helping him do his taxes this year and I'm kinda shocked at what he owes. For his regular job, he made about $30k in 2024 and had roughly $1,500 taken out for federal taxes, $1,425 for state, $2,050 for Social Security, and $485 for Medicare. But here's what's got me confused... from his side business, he earned around $17k with no taxes paid throughout the year. Now TurboTax is saying he owes $4,750 in federal taxes! Can someone explain why the self employment income is getting taxed so much higher than his W-2 job? It seems crazy that his side gig is getting hit with such a high tax bill when it's less than his regular income.
I'm the treasurer for a small student service club at my college and I'm trying to get us an EIN so we can open a bank account and organize restaurant fundraisers. The problem is, I know we'd need to file taxes annually unless we get tax exempt status as a charitable organization (which we definitely are - we focus on community service projects). Here's my dilemma: filing for 501(c)(3) status costs $600, and our tiny club budget can't handle that expense right now. We might exceed $5000 in gross receipts this year depending on how much funding we get from the school administration. I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to get an EIN for our club without creating a tax burden in the future. Are there any alternatives to paying that expensive filing fee? Any workarounds or exemptions for small student organizations like ours? I really don't want us to have to pay taxes when all our money goes toward helping the community.
Careful with the "under $5,000" automatic exemption that some people mentioned. That only applies if you're ALWAYS going to stay under $5,000 in annual gross receipts. If you think you might exceed that amount in the future, you should file for formal exemption within 27 months of formation to have it apply retroactively. Also, don't forget to check if your state has separate requirements for nonprofit status! Federal 501(c)(3) status doesn't automatically exempt you from state taxes in all states.
As someone who went through this exact situation with my campus volunteer organization last year, I'd strongly recommend starting with your university's student activities office. Most schools have streamlined processes for recognized student groups to operate under the university's tax-exempt umbrella. Here's what worked for us: We got official recognition from the school (sounds like you already have this), then applied for our own EIN using Form SS-4, clearly stating we were a student organization affiliated with [University Name]. We included documentation from student activities confirming our official status and charitable purpose. This allowed us to open a bank account without paying the $600 filing fee, and we operate tax-exempt through the university's status. We still file basic reports with the school annually, but no federal tax returns required. If that doesn't work out, definitely look into Form 1023-EZ ($275) as others mentioned, but try the university route first - it's often the simplest and cheapest option for legitimate student service organizations.
Just got my TurboTax software update in the mail but it clearly says "2023 tax year" on the package. I still need to do my 2022 taxes (I know, I'm super behind but had an extension). Is there any way to get this version to let me go back and use 2022 tax forms? I really just need to be able to calculate everything correctly and then print the forms so I can mail them in. I don't want to buy another copy of the software for the previous year if I don't have to. Has anyone tried using current year software for previous year returns?
Has anyone tried using FreeTaxUSA for prior year returns? I heard they let you do previous years for a lot cheaper than TurboTax.
Another option worth considering is H&R Block's online tax software - they also keep prior year versions available and often have promotions that make it cheaper than TurboTax. I used their 2021 version last year when I was in a similar situation and found it pretty user-friendly. If you're really trying to save money though, I'd definitely check out the IRS Volunteer Income Tax Assistance (VITA) program. They offer free tax preparation help for people with moderate incomes, and they can definitely handle prior year returns. You might be able to find a local VITA site that's still operating even though we're past the main tax season. Just search "VITA tax help" on the IRS website with your zip code.
Hey all, I'm in a bit of a tax situation and could use some advice. I've got two W2s this year - one from North Carolina and another from New York. I usually handle my own taxes but this is throwing me for a loop. When I'm filing, should I be combining these wages together on a single return? Or is there some special way to handle income from different states? For example, if I earned like $54,000 in North Carolina and around $78,000 in New York, do I just report a total income of $132,000? Or should I somehow be filing them separately because they're from different states? Sorry if this is a basic question! Just want to make sure I'm doing things right and not messing up my taxes. Thanks in advance for any help!
I had the same situation last year with W2s from Texas and California. One thing nobody mentioned yet - check if you need to file as a part-year resident in either state if you actually moved during the tax year. If you just worked in both places but maintained your primary residence in one state, then you're typically a full-year resident of your home state and a non-resident of the other. Don't forget to check if there's a reciprocal agreement between NC and NY (though I don't think there is). Some neighboring states have agreements where you only pay tax to your resident state.
Thanks for bringing this up! I didn't actually move - I was just commuting to NY for a big project for several months while maintaining my home in NC. Does that change anything about how I should approach this?
That definitely simplifies things! Since you maintained your primary residence in NC, you'd file as a full-year NC resident and as a non-resident of NY. Your NC return will include ALL your income (both NC and NY earnings), but you'll get a credit for taxes paid to NY. This prevents double taxation. Your NY non-resident return will only include the income you earned while working in NY. Just make sure you keep good records of exactly which days you worked in NY versus NC - some states are getting more particular about this, especially with remote work becoming more common.
Just a heads up that NY has some of the most aggressive non-resident income tax policies in the country! If you physically worked in NY, they will definitely want their cut. Make sure you're tracking exactly which days you worked in which state. NY has the notorious "convenience of employer" rule where they might try to tax income you earned while physically in NC if it was for a NY-based company and you were working remotely "for convenience" rather than necessity.
This! NY's convenience rule screwed me last year. I lived in CT but worked remotely most days for a NY company. NY still taxed all my income even days I never set foot in the state. Definitely check this rule.
@d2bef0c1d010 This is really important for your situation! Since you mentioned you were "commuting to NY for a big project for several months," you should be okay because you were physically present in NY for work. The convenience rule mainly affects people who work remotely from home for NY companies. But definitely keep detailed records of your work locations and dates. NY can be pretty strict about this stuff, and having documentation will save you headaches if they ever question your filing. Also, since you were commuting from NC to NY, make sure you're not accidentally claiming any work-from-home days as NY income if you actually worked those days from your NC home office.
I've been doing freelance graphic design work for various US-based websites from my home country for the past year. The issue I'm facing is that these companies withhold 30% of my payments every month because my country doesn't have a tax treaty with the United States. After digging around online, I discovered something about ITIN numbers that might help my situation. From what I understand, if I manage to get an ITIN number, these companies wouldn't need to withhold that 30% anymore. Instead, I'd be responsible for filing my own US taxes annually at a lower rate (something like 10-15% from what I've read). So my main question is - can I even apply for an ITIN number in my situation? As someone who's never been to the US and lives in a country with no tax treaty with America, am I eligible? And if I am eligible, would this actually help reduce the tax burden on my freelance income? Really appreciate any insights!
Something nobody has mentioned yet - make sure you're actually subject to US taxation in the first place. If you're truly just selling e-books through Amazon KDP (or similar platform), you might be receiving royalty income, not freelance/contractor income. Different types of income are treated differently under US tax law. For royalty income from intellectual property, you might have different options than for services income. This distinction could affect both your ITIN application purpose and your ultimate tax liability.
This is a really good point! I didn't specify clearly in my post. I'm doing graphic design work directly for US companies, so I'm pretty sure that counts as service income/contractor work. But I'm curious - how would royalty income be treated differently? Would the withholding requirements be any different?
For service income as an independent contractor, you're generally subject to the 30% withholding without a tax treaty, exactly as you've experienced. Getting an ITIN allows you to file a tax return and potentially claim deductions, but the initial withholding typically still applies. Royalty income (like from book sales, licensing intellectual property, etc.) is technically also subject to 30% withholding without a treaty. However, the key difference is how these can be reported. With royalty income, you might qualify for certain expense deductions or business structures that aren't available for pure service income. Additionally, some digital platforms have special arrangements with the IRS regarding how they handle international sellers, so the practical implementation sometimes varies. For your graphic design work, you're definitely dealing with service income, so focusing on the ITIN application is the right approach. Just make sure when you complete your W-8BEN form after getting your ITIN that you correctly classify your income type.
I went through this exact process about 6 months ago as a freelance web developer from the Philippines (also no tax treaty). A few practical tips that really helped me: First, when gathering your identity documents for the ITIN application, make sure your passport is valid for at least 6 months beyond your application date. The IRS rejected my first application because my passport was expiring in 4 months. Second, consider timing your application carefully. I applied in August (non-tax season) and got my ITIN in about 6 weeks. Friends who applied during tax season waited 12+ weeks. Third, once you get your ITIN, you'll need to be proactive with your US clients about updating their records. Send them the completed W-8BEN form via certified mail or email with read receipts. Some companies have slow accounting departments and it took 2-3 months for the withholding changes to take effect. One thing that surprised me - even after getting my ITIN and filing my first US tax return, I only got back about 15% of what was withheld (not the full 30%). The actual tax rate on my income bracket was still around 15%, but I was able to claim some business deductions for my home office and equipment. Still a significant improvement from losing the full 30% though!
This is incredibly helpful, thank you! The passport validity tip is something I wouldn't have thought of - mine expires in about 8 months so I should be okay there. Quick question about the business deductions you mentioned - what kind of equipment and home office expenses were you able to claim? I have a pretty substantial setup with professional design software, monitors, and a dedicated workspace, but I wasn't sure if those would qualify for someone working internationally for US companies.
Great question! For US tax purposes, you can generally deduct business expenses that are "ordinary and necessary" for your work, even as a foreign contractor. I was able to claim depreciation on my computer equipment (laptop, monitors, graphics tablet), software subscriptions (Adobe Creative Suite, project management tools), and a percentage of my home expenses for my dedicated office space. The key is keeping detailed records and receipts. For home office deduction, I calculated the square footage of my workspace compared to my total home size and applied that percentage to utilities, rent, and internet costs. Equipment purchases can often be depreciated over several years or sometimes fully deducted in the year of purchase under Section 179 (though there are limits for foreign taxpayers). I'd definitely recommend consulting with a tax professional who understands international contractor situations, or using one of the services others mentioned like taxr.ai, to make sure you're maximizing your legitimate deductions while staying compliant. The documentation requirements are pretty strict, but the potential savings make it worthwhile!
Connor O'Brien
3 Another thing to consider - your son should definitely start making quarterly estimated tax payments for his self-employment income. The deadline for Q1 2025 payments is April 15th. This spreads out the tax burden throughout the year AND helps avoid underpayment penalties that the IRS can charge! For a rough estimate, he should set aside about 30% of his self-employment profit for taxes (15.3% for self-employment tax plus income tax). The IRS Form 1040-ES has worksheets to calculate this more precisely.
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Author17 How do you actually make these quarterly payments? I just started doing some freelance work and want to avoid a big surprise next year.
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Author3 You can make quarterly estimated tax payments directly on the IRS website through their Direct Pay system at irs.gov/payments. Just select "estimated tax" as the payment type. You can also mail in payments with Form 1040-ES vouchers if you prefer paper. For figuring out how much to pay, the safest approach is to pay at least 100% of your previous year's tax liability divided into four equal payments (or 110% if your income is over $150,000). This gives you "safe harbor" protection from underpayment penalties even if your income increases.
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Connor O'Brien
4 Your son might also qualify for the Qualified Business Income (QBI) deduction, which could reduce his taxable income by up to 20% of his net business profit. This only applies to income tax though, not self-employment tax. Make sure your tax software is calculating this - it can make a significant difference!
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Author9 Does the QBI deduction apply to all self-employment or only certain types of businesses? I do graphic design freelance work.
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Yes, the QBI deduction generally applies to most self-employment income, including graphic design work! It covers income from sole proprietorships, partnerships, S-corps, and LLCs. There are some limitations for certain service businesses at higher income levels (like law, accounting, consulting), but graphic design typically qualifies without restrictions. The deduction is 20% of your qualified business income, subject to certain limits based on your total taxable income. For most freelancers and small business owners, it's a straightforward 20% reduction on the business income portion of your taxes. Definitely make sure your tax software is applying this - it can save hundreds or even thousands depending on your income level.
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