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Has anyone compared how different tax software handles this ACA premium deduction for self-employed people? I've been using TurboTax for years but I'm wondering if something like FreeTaxUSA or TaxAct might be better for this specific situation.
I've used both TurboTax and FreeTaxUSA for my small business. TurboTax actually handles the ACA premium calculations better for self-employed people. It has a special worksheet that figures out the circular calculation mentioned above. FreeTaxUSA is WAY cheaper but doesn't handle that particular situation as smoothly. You'd need to manually recalculate.
Thanks for the info! I'll stick with TurboTax then, even though it's more expensive. The circular calculation thing sounds like a nightmare to figure out manually.
Just wanted to add another perspective here - I'm a CPA who works with a lot of self-employed clients in this exact situation. The confusion around ACA premium deductions is incredibly common, and you're definitely not alone in finding the IRS language confusing. For sole proprietors filing Schedule C (which includes independent contractors like yourself), your ACA marketplace premiums ARE deductible as long as you meet the basic requirements: the policy covers you (and potentially your family), you're not eligible for employer-sponsored coverage, and your business shows a net profit at least equal to the premium amount you're deducting. The "established under your business" language that's tripping you up is really aimed at other business structures. For sole props, having the policy in your personal name absolutely counts. One thing I always tell my clients: keep excellent records of your premium payments and make sure you understand how any premium tax credits affect your deduction amount. And if you're ever unsure about a significant deduction like this ($8,500 is substantial!), it's worth consulting with a tax professional for your specific situation. The peace of mind is usually worth the cost.
This is exactly the kind of professional insight I was hoping to find! As someone new to self-employment, it's really reassuring to hear from a CPA that this confusion is normal. I have a follow-up question about the record keeping you mentioned - besides keeping receipts for premium payments, are there any other specific documents I should be maintaining? And when you say "premium tax credits affect your deduction amount," does that mean I need to reduce my deduction by the amount of any advance credits I received during the year? Also, at what point would you recommend someone in my situation (around $8,500 in premiums) should consider hiring a professional versus trying to handle it themselves with tax software?
What happens if both people try to claim the mortgage interest? My gf and I split the mortgage payments (she's on the loan, I'm not), and her 1098 obviously shows the full interest amount. If I try to claim my portion as an "equitable owner" and she claims her portion, will that trigger problems?
Yes, that would definitely raise flags with the IRS! The total amount claimed between both of you can't exceed what's on the 1098 form. You need to coordinate your tax filings. Each of you would need to file Form 8396 to show how the deduction is being split, and reference each other's tax IDs to make it clear you're not double-dipping.
I've been following this thread closely since I'm in a very similar situation. One thing I want to add that hasn't been mentioned much is the importance of timing when creating your written agreement. While you don't need to backdate anything, I'd strongly recommend creating that ownership agreement ASAP before you file your taxes. The IRS looks favorably on contemporaneous documentation - meaning paperwork that exists at the time the situation is happening, not created after the fact when you're trying to justify a tax position. Also, make sure your agreement is specific about percentages. Don't just say "in exchange for mortgage payments, I have an ownership interest." Be clear: "In exchange for paying 100% of the mortgage payments, I am entitled to X% ownership interest in the property's equity." This specificity will help a lot if you ever get questioned. One last tip - consider having your girlfriend explicitly state on her tax return that she's NOT claiming the mortgage interest deduction because someone else (you) is claiming it as an equitable owner. This coordination between your returns shows the IRS you're not trying to hide anything.
This is excellent advice about the timing and specificity of the agreement! I'm new to this community but dealing with the exact same situation. One quick question - when you mention having your girlfriend state on her return that she's NOT claiming the deduction, where exactly would she put that? Is there a specific form or just a written statement attached to her return? I want to make sure we coordinate this properly from the start to avoid any issues down the road.
I've been an escrow officer for 15 years and I see this confusion all the time. Here's what actually happens: At closing, we calculate a prorated amount of taxes based on who owns the property on which days. This appears on your settlement statement. But that's just an adjustment between buyer and seller - it doesn't change what each of you actually PAID to the tax authority. For tax deduction purposes, you can only deduct property taxes YOU actually paid to the tax authority (usually through your mortgage company). If your Box 10 shows $5000, but your settlement statement shows the seller credited you $2000 for their portion of taxes, your actual deduction should be $3000. The IRS cares about economic burden - who actually bore the cost of the tax, not who physically sent the money to the tax collector.
So if the settlement statement shows I paid the seller for taxes they had already prepaid, do I add that amount to my deduction since it doesn't show up in box 10?
Yes, exactly right. If the settlement statement shows you paid the seller for taxes they had already prepaid, then that amount represents additional property taxes you've effectively paid, but which won't appear in Box 10 (because your mortgage company didn't pay them - you paid the seller directly). In that case, you would add that amount to your deduction since it's part of your economic burden for property taxes. Just be prepared to document this with your settlement statement if you're ever questioned about the discrepancy between your deduction and what's reported in Box 10.
This is exactly the kind of situation that trips up so many homeowners! You're right to question the "just use Box 10" approach - it's often not that simple when you buy mid-year. From what you've described, it sounds like you need to go with your second option: calculate (total tax bill) - (seller paid taxes at closing) = your deductible amount. The key principle is that you can only deduct property taxes that represent YOUR economic burden. Since you mentioned the seller-paid portion at closing was less than it should have been based on their ownership period, you essentially overpaid for their portion. But that doesn't change the fact that you can only deduct what you're actually responsible for as the property owner. Here's what I'd recommend: Look at your settlement statement for the property tax adjustment line. If it shows the seller credited you money for taxes, subtract that from your Box 10 amount. If it shows you paid the seller for prepaid taxes, add that to your Box 10 amount. The goal is to arrive at the total amount you actually paid that corresponds to your period of ownership. Don't worry about prorating based on days - focus on the actual financial transactions and adjustments that occurred.
This is really helpful advice! I'm new to homeownership and bought my first house in August, so I'm dealing with a similar situation. One question though - what if my settlement statement has multiple property tax adjustments? I see lines for "current year taxes" and "delinquent taxes" that the seller owed. Do I handle these differently, or do I just add up all the tax-related adjustments when doing the calculation you described?
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation with Energy Transfer and have been struggling with the same confusion about whether to enter the partnerships separately or combined. One thing I wanted to add that might help others - I found that keeping a simple Excel spreadsheet with columns for each tax year has made tracking my basis much easier. I have columns for: Starting Basis, Box 19A (return of capital), Taxable Income Allocated, and Ending Basis. It takes a few minutes each year but saves hours of reconstruction later. For anyone still confused about the partnership breakdown, I called Energy Transfer's investor relations line (1-800-248-4536) last year and they were actually pretty helpful in explaining how their K-1 structure works. They confirmed that yes, you should enter each entity separately using the breakdown information, not the combined totals. The representative also mentioned that they've been working on making their K-1 forms clearer because they get a lot of calls about this exact confusion. Hopefully future years will be less confusing for all of us!
Thanks for sharing that investor relations phone number! I had no idea Energy Transfer had a dedicated line for K-1 questions. That's incredibly useful information. Your Excel spreadsheet approach for tracking basis is brilliant - I've been trying to do it all in my head each year and it's been a disaster. Could you share what specific items from the K-1 you track in each column? I want to make sure I'm capturing all the right adjustments. Also, it's encouraging to hear that ET is working on making their K-1s clearer. The complexity has definitely been the most frustrating part of owning MLP units, even though the distributions are nice. Hopefully other MLPs will follow their lead and make these forms more user-friendly for individual investors. This whole thread has given me so much more confidence about handling my ET K-1 correctly this year. Really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences and solutions!
As a tax professional who deals with MLP K-1s regularly, I want to emphasize a few critical points that haven't been fully covered: First, regarding the Energy Transfer structure - you're absolutely correct to enter ET, USAC, and SUN as separate partnerships. However, make sure you're allocating the income and deductions proportionally based on ET's ownership percentages in each subsidiary, not just copying the breakdown amounts directly. Second, be extremely careful with passive activity loss rules. Energy Transfer activities are generally considered passive for individual investors, which means any losses can only offset other passive income or be carried forward. This is particularly important if you have losses from any of the three entities. Third, for state tax purposes, you may need to file returns in multiple states where these partnerships conduct business. Energy Transfer operates across many states, and some states require non-resident returns even for small amounts of income allocation. Finally, I strongly recommend keeping detailed records of all your MLP investments beyond just basis tracking. The IRS has been increasing scrutiny of MLP reporting, and having comprehensive documentation is essential if you're ever audited. The complexity is real, but with proper attention to detail, MLP investments can be very tax-efficient over the long term.
Thank you for this professional perspective! This is exactly the kind of detailed guidance I was hoping to find. I have a few follow-up questions if you don't mind: Regarding the proportional allocation you mentioned - where on the Energy Transfer K-1 can I find ET's ownership percentages in USAC and SUN? I've been looking at the breakdown page but I don't see specific ownership percentages listed, just the dollar amounts for each entity. Also, you mentioned state filing requirements - this is something I hadn't even considered! With only 50 units of ET, am I likely to trigger filing requirements in multiple states? Is there typically a minimum threshold before states require non-resident returns for MLP income? The passive activity loss rules are particularly concerning since I don't have other passive income. If I do have losses from any of the three entities, should I be tracking those separately for each partnership or can they be combined when applying the passive loss limitations? I really appreciate you taking the time to share your professional expertise - this level of detail is incredibly valuable for someone trying to get this right!
Joy Olmedo
Don't forget to check your state's requirements too! Federal and state deadlines/processes for deceased taxpayers aren't always the same. My husband passed in 2022 and while the IRS accepted my extension with just "DECEASED" written on it, our state required me to include a copy of the death certificate with the extension request.
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Isaiah Cross
β’Really good point! I work at a state revenue office (not giving tax advice, just sharing info) and I see people get tripped up by this all the time. Some states also require specific forms to establish fiduciary relationship that are different from the federal Form 56.
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Nalani Liu
Just want to add one more practical tip that helped me when I went through this with my father's estate - keep detailed records of everything you do during this process. I created a simple folder with copies of the extension form, any correspondence with the IRS, and notes about what the tax professional advised. This documentation became really valuable later when we had questions about timing and what steps we'd already completed. The IRS can sometimes take a while to process extensions for deceased taxpayers, and having your own paper trail helps if there are any follow-up questions. Also, when you do meet with your tax professional, bring all the financial documents you've gathered so far. Even though you're filing the extension first, they can give you a more accurate estimate of what to expect and potentially catch any income sources you might have missed in your initial review.
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Aria Park
β’This is excellent advice about keeping detailed records! I'm just starting to navigate this process myself after my aunt passed away last month, and I hadn't thought about creating a dedicated folder for everything. One question - when you mention that the IRS can take a while to process extensions for deceased taxpayers, do you know roughly how long that typically takes? I'm wondering if there's any way to confirm they received and accepted the extension, or if we just have to assume it went through properly after filing it. Also, did your tax professional charge differently for handling a deceased person's return compared to a regular tax preparation? I'm trying to budget for this and want to set realistic expectations.
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