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Connor O'Neill

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Week 5 here and honestly this community has been more helpful than the IRS website itself 😭 @Ryan Andre thanks for the Tuesday/Thursday info - that's literally the first concrete timeline I've heard anywhere. Going to try that taxr.ai thing @Lauren Zeb mentioned because the "where's my refund" tool has been useless. At least now I know I'm not alone in this waiting game!

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Omar Zaki

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Same here! Week 3 and counting 😀 This whole thread has been way more informative than anything I've found on the official IRS site. @Ryan Andre that Tuesday/Thursday schedule is golden info - finally something concrete to work with instead of just processing. "Definitely" checking out that taxr.ai tool too @Lauren Zeb since the regular tracking tools are basically worthless. At least we re all'suffering together lol

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Callum Savage

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Week 2 of test batch here and honestly feeling way better after reading this thread! @Ryan Andre that Tuesday/Thursday processing schedule is incredibly helpful - finally have actual dates to work with instead of just refreshing constantly. @Charlotte White your success story after 6 weeks gives me hope! Going to definitely check out that taxr.ai tool @Lauren Zeb mentioned since the regular WMR has been completely useless. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - makes this whole waiting process feel less isolating when you know others are going through the exact same thing πŸ™

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William Rivera

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Week 1 here and already feeling anxious about the wait! This thread is honestly a lifesaver - way more helpful than anything on the IRS website. @Ryan Andre that Tuesday/Thursday schedule is exactly what I needed to hear, gives me something concrete to track instead of just randomly checking. @Charlotte White your 6-week success story definitely helps with the anxiety! And @Lauren Zeb definitely going to try that taxr.ai tool since everyone seems to be getting better info from it than the official tools. Thanks for keeping it real everyone - at least we re all in'this together! 🀞

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Javier Cruz

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I'm dealing with almost the exact same situation right now! My husband just got approved for SSDI after 3 years on private LTD, and we're facing that massive lump sum with most of it going back to the insurance company. One thing I wanted to add that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure you understand the timing of when you need to report this. Since SSDI backpay can cover multiple tax years, you might be able to use the "lump sum election" under Section 86(e) to calculate the tax as if you had received the payments in the years they were actually for, rather than all in the year you received them. This could potentially lower your overall tax burden, especially if it pushes you into higher tax brackets. You'd use Form SSA-1099 along with Form 1040 and possibly need to file amended returns for prior years. It's complex, but could save you significant money if the backpay covers multiple years and would have been taxed at lower rates if received when originally due. Definitely recommend getting professional help for this - the interaction between SSDI taxation, subrogation payments, and lump sum elections is not something most general tax preparers are familiar with.

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This is really helpful information about the lump sum election! I hadn't heard of Section 86(e) before. Can you clarify how this would work with the subrogation payments though? If we use the lump sum election to spread the SSDI backpay across multiple years, would we also need to split the repayment deduction across those same years proportionally? Also, when you mention filing amended returns for prior years - would that be necessary even if we elect to calculate the tax as if received in prior years, or is there a way to handle it all on the current year return? I'm trying to understand if this approach would make our tax situation more complicated or actually simplify it in the long run.

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Ava Thompson

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Great question about Section 86(e) and how it interacts with subrogation payments! You're right to think about the complexity this adds. When using the lump sum election, you would typically need to allocate both the income and the related deduction proportionally across the years the backpay covers. So if your SSDI backpay covered 3 years, you'd split both the SSDI income and the subrogation repayment deduction across those same years in proportion to the benefits that were supposed to be paid in each year. However, there's some debate among tax professionals about whether the repayment should be allocated proportionally or taken entirely in the year of actual repayment under Section 1341. The IRS hasn't provided completely clear guidance on this specific interaction. Regarding amended returns - the lump sum election typically requires you to calculate the tax both ways (as if received when due vs. all in current year) and take whichever results in less tax. You usually don't need to actually file amended returns for prior years - instead, you include the calculation on your current year return showing the tax that would have been owed if the payments were received in their proper years. This approach can definitely save money if the backpay would have been taxed at lower rates in prior years, but given the complexity with the subrogation issue, I'd strongly recommend working with a CPA who specializes in disability taxation to ensure you're handling both provisions correctly.

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NightOwl42

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This is a really common issue that a lot of workers face, and you're absolutely right to be concerned. Based on what you've described - fixed schedule, using company equipment, boss controlling your work methods - you're clearly being treated as an employee but classified as a contractor for tax purposes. The financial impact is significant. At your $49,400 annual income, you're paying roughly $3,780 extra per year in self-employment taxes (the full 15.3% instead of just the employee portion of 7.65%). That's money your employer should be contributing. Here's what I'd recommend: Start by documenting everything about your work arrangement - your set hours, the equipment you use, how your boss directs your work, any company meetings you attend, etc. This documentation will be crucial whether you talk to your employer first or need to escalate to the IRS. Consider approaching your employer first with a non-confrontational conversation. Frame it as wanting to ensure you're both properly protected rather than accusing them of wrongdoing. Many employers, especially smaller ones, genuinely don't understand the classification rules. If that doesn't work, you can file Form SS-8 with the IRS to get an official determination of your worker status. You might also look into Form 8919, which allows you to pay only the employee portion of FICA taxes when you believe you've been misclassified. Don't stress too much about getting in trouble - the IRS goes after employers for misclassification, not employees. You're the victim here, not the perpetrator.

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StarSurfer

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This is really comprehensive advice and echoes what I've been learning from everyone's experiences here. The $3,780 figure you mentioned is almost exactly what Ana calculated for my situation earlier - it's shocking how much extra we're paying because of misclassification. I really appreciate the suggestion to approach this as "wanting to ensure we're both properly protected." That framing feels much more comfortable than going in with accusations. My boss seems like a decent person, so there's a good chance they genuinely don't realize the classification issues. The point about documenting company meetings is something I hadn't considered but makes perfect sense. I attend weekly team meetings, monthly all-hands meetings, and have regular one-on-ones with my supervisor. Those are clearly employee activities, not contractor relationships. One question - if I do end up filing Form 8919, does that create any immediate issues with my employer? Or is it more of a behind-the-scenes adjustment that they might not even know about until later? I want to understand all the potential consequences before deciding on my approach. Thanks for the reassurance about not getting in trouble. The stress of potentially doing something wrong tax-wise has been keeping me up at night!

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Noah Ali

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Form 8919 is actually pretty straightforward - you file it with your personal tax return to pay only the employee portion of FICA taxes instead of the full self-employment tax. The IRS processes it as part of your return, so there's no immediate notification to your employer. However, filing Form 8919 does create a paper trail that could eventually lead to an IRS inquiry of your employer's classification practices, especially if multiple workers from the same company file it. The IRS uses this information to identify patterns of potential misclassification. That said, Form 8919 is designed specifically for situations like yours where you believe you've been misclassified. You're legally entitled to use it when you have a good faith belief that you should be treated as an employee. The form even has a specific code for "you believe you are an employee but received a Form 1099-MISC." The main thing is to keep good documentation of why you believe you're misclassified. Your fixed schedule, company equipment usage, and direct supervision are all strong indicators that support your position if anyone ever questions it.

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Ethan Clark

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I've been following this discussion and wanted to share some additional perspective as someone who's dealt with employment classification issues professionally. What you're experiencing is unfortunately very common, especially in smaller businesses. The key thing to understand is that worker classification isn't based on what forms you fill out - it's based on the actual working relationship. The IRS looks at three main categories: behavioral control (how you do the work), financial control (business aspects of the work), and the relationship itself. From your description, you clearly fall into employee territory. Set hours, company equipment, direct supervision of work methods - these are textbook employee characteristics. Your employer having you fill out a W-9 doesn't magically make you a contractor. Beyond the immediate tax burden you're facing (which others have correctly calculated), consider the other protections you're missing: no unemployment insurance if you lose your job, no workers' compensation if you're injured at work, and no employer contribution to Social Security credits toward your future benefits. I'd strongly recommend the documentation approach others have mentioned, but also consider reaching out to your state's Department of Labor. Many states have worker misclassification task forces that can provide guidance and sometimes resolve these issues faster than going through federal channels. The most important thing is don't let this situation continue indefinitely. The longer it goes on, the more money you're losing to unnecessary taxes.

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Andre Rousseau

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This is exactly what I needed to hear from someone with professional experience in this area. The point about worker classification being based on the actual relationship rather than paperwork really drives home how clearly I'm being misclassified. You're absolutely right about the other protections I'm missing - I hadn't even thought about unemployment insurance or workers' comp until you mentioned it. That makes this situation even more concerning since I'm essentially working without a safety net while paying extra taxes for the privilege. The state Department of Labor suggestion is really helpful. I'll look into whether my state has one of those misclassification task forces you mentioned. If they can move faster than federal agencies, that could save me months of stress and thousands more in unnecessary taxes. I think what's been holding me back is fear of rocking the boat, but you're right that letting this continue indefinitely just means I keep losing money. At this point, I've probably already overpaid by several thousand dollars, and that number only gets bigger every month I wait. Thank you for the professional perspective - it really helps to know that what I'm experiencing fits clear patterns that experts recognize and that there are established ways to address it.

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Ava Martinez

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Anyone know if there's a penalty for not reporting this in previous years? I've been working in Brazil for 5 years and never included my FGTS in my FBAR calculations... 😬

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Miguel Ramos

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The penalties can be STEEP for willful violations - up to $100k or 50% of the account balance per violation! But if it was a genuine mistake, you can file under the Streamlined Procedures program and potentially avoid penalties. Don't wait though, fix it before they come to you!

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This is really helpful information! I'm in a similar situation as an expat in Germany with mandatory pension contributions. Based on what everyone's saying, it sounds like the key principle is that if you have a "financial interest" in an account outside the US, it counts toward FBAR reporting regardless of withdrawal restrictions. One thing I'd add for the original poster - make sure you're using the correct exchange rates when converting your Brazilian real amounts to USD for reporting. The IRS has specific guidance on which exchange rates to use (generally the Treasury's year-end rates for the maximum balance calculation). Also, keep good records of your monthly FGTS statements throughout the year so you can accurately determine the maximum balance. Since employers deposit 8% monthly, your balance is constantly growing, so the maximum will likely be at year-end unless there were any withdrawals. Good luck with your filing!

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Aisha Khan

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Great point about the exchange rates! I'm new to all this international tax stuff and had no idea there were specific IRS requirements for which rates to use. Do you happen to know where to find the Treasury's year-end rates? And just to clarify - we use the year-end rate even if the maximum balance occurred earlier in the year, or do we use the rate from when the maximum actually occurred? Also really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences here. As someone just starting to navigate expat tax obligations, this thread has been incredibly educational!

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Dmitry Volkov

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Just be aware that if you don't report this income and somehow get audited, you'll face penalties and interest on top of the taxes you should have paid. The fact that PayPal doesn't report "friends and family" transfers doesn't protect you - it's still your legal obligation to report ALL income. I learned this the hard way with my Discord server donations. Started small but grew to about $400/month. Never reported it because "PayPal doesn't report it" - ended up with a nasty surprise when I got flagged for an audit for unrelated reasons and they found the unreported income.

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Ava Thompson

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Is there some threshold where PayPal does start reporting to the IRS? I thought I read something about $600 or $20,000?

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Zoe Walker

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Yes, there are thresholds but they've changed recently. For 2024, PayPal and other payment processors are required to report payments of $600 or more to someone who received them for goods or services (Form 1099-K). But this only applies to "goods and services" transactions, not "friends and family" payments. However, this is a common misconception - just because PayPal doesn't report it doesn't mean you don't owe taxes on it! You're legally required to report ALL income regardless of whether you receive a 1099 form. The reporting thresholds are just to help the IRS cross-reference, but your obligation to report income exists whether you get a form or not. @Dmitry Volkov s'experience is exactly why it s'so important to be proactive about reporting this income from the start.

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This is really helpful information everyone! I'm in a similar situation with my Rust server where I collect donations through various platforms. One thing I want to add that might be useful - even if you decide to treat this as hobby income rather than business income, you still need to keep detailed records of all your expenses. I learned from my accountant that the IRS can be pretty strict about what counts as legitimate expenses, especially for gaming-related activities. Make sure you're tracking things like server hosting costs, domain registration, any software licenses, and potentially even a portion of your internet bill if you can demonstrate it's used substantially for the server. The key is being able to show that these expenses are directly related to generating the income, not just general gaming expenses. Keep receipts and document everything - it'll save you headaches later whether you file as hobby or business income.

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Jamal Edwards

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This is such great advice about keeping detailed records! I'm just starting out with my own gaming server and want to make sure I do this right from the beginning. How detailed should the record-keeping be? Like do I need to track every single $5 donation individually, or is it okay to just keep monthly totals? And for expenses like the internet bill portion - how do you actually calculate what percentage is reasonable to claim for server-related use?

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