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I've been investing in MLPs for about 5 years now and here's my practical approach to the state tax issue: 1) I only file state returns where my allocated income from the MLP exceeds $500. This is technically not compliant with every state's rules, but it's a reasonable threshold where the tax liability becomes meaningful enough to justify filing. 2) For states with small allocations, I maintain records in case of audit but don't file. So far, no issues. 3) For MLPs in IRAs, I specifically choose ones with historically low UBTI to avoid triggering the $1,000 threshold. Enterprise Products Partners (EPD) has been good for this. 4) I keep detailed basis records for return of capital distributions, as these will eventually matter when I sell. Not saying this is the "correct" approach legally, but it's worked for me as a practical compromise between full compliance and sanity.
Which tax software do you use that can handle the multiple state filings for MLPs? I tried using TurboTax last year and it was a nightmare.
I actually use a combination of H&R Block Premium for my home state and federal returns, then I use individual state's web filing systems for the few out-of-state returns I need to submit. Most tax software struggles with the complexity of MLP state allocations. For tracking basis adjustments from return of capital distributions, I maintain my own spreadsheet since no tax software I've found does this well across multiple years. It's not ideal, but it gives me more control and understanding of my tax situation than relying entirely on software that might not handle these edge cases correctly.
For anyone considering MLPs, please know that while the tax complexity is real, it's manageable if you approach it systematically. A few tips from my experience: 1. Request the "investor tax package" from each MLP you own - most provide detailed state-by-state breakdowns of your allocations 2. Focus on your home state plus any states with significant operations by your MLPs 3. Keep excellent records of your basis adjustments from return of capital distributions 4. Consider using an accountant experienced with MLP investments rather than DIY software 5. For small investments, ETFs that hold MLPs like AMLP might be more tax-efficient as they issue 1099s instead of K-1s
This is a complex situation that definitely requires careful handling. Based on what others have shared, here are a few additional points to consider: **Documentation is key**: Make sure you keep every piece of paperwork from the raffle organization, including any materials that describe how they determined the $62,500 value. This could be important if you need to dispute the valuation later. **Consider the timing of your sale**: Since you're selling immediately, you might want to get multiple purchase offers to document that $59,000 is indeed the fair market value. Having 2-3 offers around the same price range could strengthen your position. **Don't forget about self-employment tax**: Depending on how the IRS classifies this income, you might also be liable for self-employment taxes on top of regular income tax. This is less common with prize winnings, but worth confirming with a professional. **State registration considerations**: Even though you're in Texas with no state income tax, you'll still need to consider vehicle registration and title transfer costs. These aren't deductible but are real expenses that eat into your proceeds. The advice about setting aside 35% seems prudent given all the potential tax implications. Better to overestimate and have money left over than scramble to find additional funds at tax time. Good luck with this situation - winning should be exciting, not stressful!
Great point about getting multiple purchase offers! I hadn't thought about that but it makes total sense to document the actual market value with several offers. That could really help if I need to justify the difference between the stated $62,500 and what I can actually get for it. The self-employment tax angle is interesting - I definitely need to ask about that when I find a tax professional. That could add another 15% or so on top of everything else, which would be brutal. One question about the documentation - should I also document the condition of the car when I received it? It's brand new so probably not an issue, but I want to make sure I'm covering all my bases. Also, do you think it matters that I'm selling to a private buyer versus a dealer? Would one look better to the IRS than the other in terms of establishing fair market value?
Documenting the car's condition is absolutely smart - take photos showing it's new/unused condition when you received it. This supports that you're not trying to hide any depreciation or damage that might affect value. Regarding private buyer vs dealer - a private sale actually might look more legitimate for establishing market value since dealers typically offer below retail. Private party sales usually reflect true market value better than trade-in values. Just make sure you have a proper bill of sale with all the buyer's information. One more tip: if you're getting multiple offers, try to get them in writing (even just texts or emails) and from different types of buyers - maybe one dealer, one private party, one from CarMax or similar. This shows you did due diligence in establishing what the car is actually worth in the current market, not just what the charity claimed it was worth. The documentation you're building could be really valuable if the IRS questions the valuation discrepancy. You want to show you acted reasonably and in good faith to determine actual market value.
I've been following this thread and there's some really solid advice here, but I want to add a few practical considerations that might help: **Get everything in writing from the raffle organizers**: Before you do anything, ask them for a detailed breakdown of how they arrived at the $62,500 valuation. Was it MSRP, dealer invoice, or actual market research? This documentation could be crucial if you need to challenge the amount later. **Consider the timing of your quarterly payments**: Since you won recently, your first estimated payment would likely be due January 15th for Q4 2024. But given the size of this income, you might want to make a payment sooner to avoid underpayment penalties. The IRS generally expects payments within the quarter you receive the income. **Don't overlook AMT implications**: With a sudden $62,500 income spike, you might trigger Alternative Minimum Tax calculations. This is another reason why professional help is worth the cost - AMT can add unexpected complexity to your tax situation. **Document EVERYTHING**: Keep records of all costs associated with this situation - appraisal fees, tax preparation costs, even storage or insurance costs while you arrange the sale. While most won't be deductible, having detailed records shows you're handling this professionally. The 35% cash reserve recommendation is spot-on. This situation has enough moving parts that professional guidance isn't just helpful - it's essential for protecting yourself from costly mistakes.
This is incredibly helpful, thank you! The quarterly payment timing is something I was really unclear on - I'll definitely look into making a payment sooner rather than waiting until January. The last thing I want is to get hit with penalties on top of everything else. The AMT angle is something I hadn't even considered. Between my regular income and this $62,500 windfall, I could definitely see that becoming an issue. That alone makes professional help seem worth it. Your point about getting the valuation breakdown from the raffle organizers is brilliant. I'm going to call them tomorrow and ask for detailed documentation of how they determined that $62,500 figure. If it's just MSRP and the actual market value is lower, that could save me thousands. One follow-up question - when you mention documenting storage/insurance costs, are you thinking these might be deductible as expenses related to disposing of the prize? Or just for record-keeping purposes in case the IRS has questions about the timeline? Thanks again for all the detailed advice. This thread has been incredibly educational and definitely convinced me that professional help is the way to go!
quick questions - do the payments actually need to match the profitability by quarter or can i just divide my total estimated taxes for the year into 4 equal payments? my s-corp has really seasonal income so some quarters have way more profit than others.
You can do equal quarterly payments based on your annual projected income. That's actually the safest option for most people. The IRS just wants to make sure you're paying throughout the year rather than all at once at filing time.
Great question about S Corp quarterly payments! Just to add some clarity - you're absolutely right to be thinking about this carefully. The key thing to remember is that as an S Corp owner, you wear two hats: employee (if you take a salary) and owner/shareholder. From the business account, you should pay: - Payroll taxes for your salary (employer portion of FICA, unemployment taxes, etc.) - Any business-specific taxes like state franchise fees From your personal account, you should pay: - Estimated quarterly payments for the income tax on your share of the S Corp profits - Your portion of self-employment tax equivalent (though S Corp profits aren't subject to SE tax, which is one of the benefits) Since this is your first profitable quarter, make sure you're also paying yourself a reasonable salary if you haven't been already - the IRS expects S Corp owner-employees to take W-2 wages before distributions. Congrats on the profit, and keep that business/personal separation clean for your records!
This is really helpful! I'm new to S Corps and had no idea about the "two hats" concept. Quick follow-up question - when you mention paying myself a "reasonable salary," how do I figure out what's reasonable? Is there a specific percentage of profits I should be taking as salary versus distributions? I want to make sure I'm not setting myself up for problems with the IRS down the road.
I went through almost the exact same situation with my 2017 amended return that I filed in 2020. The waiting is absolutely maddening, especially when you've already paid what you think you owe! One thing I learned that might help - when you check your account transcript, look for the cycle date next to code 977. This shows when the IRS actually began working on your amendment. If it's been more than 16 weeks since that cycle date, you have grounds to request expedited processing when you call. Also, don't worry too much about your payment sitting as a credit. Mine sat there for almost 8 months before they applied it. The IRS is super cautious about applying payments until they've triple-checked all the math, especially on older tax years where there might be statute of limitations issues. The code 290 everyone mentioned will definitely appear when it's done - mine showed up on a Friday and by the following Tuesday I had a letter in the mail explaining the final adjustment. Hang in there, it will eventually move!
This is incredibly reassuring to hear from someone who went through the exact same timeline! I never thought to look for the cycle date next to code 977 - that's such a helpful tip. I'm going to check my transcript right now to see when they actually started working on it versus when it first appeared in the system. The 16-week rule for requesting expedited processing is also really useful information. It's frustrating that we have to wait so long, but at least there are concrete timeframes we can point to when advocating for ourselves. Thanks for the reassurance about the payment sitting as a credit too. It's been driving me crazy wondering if they even know it's connected to my amended return, but it sounds like this is just how their system works. I feel much more confident now that this will eventually resolve!
I went through a very similar situation with my 2019 amended return that I filed in late 2022. The waiting period is absolutely brutal, especially when you can see some activity but no resolution. One thing that helped me understand the process better was learning that there are actually sub-phases within the "processing" status that the online tools don't show. After code 977 appears, your return goes through several internal queues - first for initial review, then for calculation verification, then for final approval. Each step can take weeks or months depending on the complexity and current workload. In my case, I had codes 971 and 977 for about 7 months before anything else appeared. Then suddenly one week I saw code 290 with the exact additional tax amount I calculated, followed by codes showing interest assessment and payment application. The whole thing finalized within days once it actually reached the final stage. The hardest part is that there's really no way to know which internal queue your return is sitting in. But the fact that you already paid the amount you calculated was smart - it shows good faith and prevents additional interest from accumulating while they work through their backlog. Keep checking that transcript weekly. When the 290 code appears, you'll know you're finally at the finish line!
This breakdown of the sub-phases is incredibly helpful! I had no idea there were multiple internal queues after the 977 code appears. It explains why the "Where's My Amended Return" tool is so vague - it probably can't track which specific internal stage your return is in. Seven months from 977 to 290 sounds about right based on what I'm seeing with my 2018 return. I'm at about 5 months since the 977 appeared, so hopefully I'm getting closer to that final stage you mentioned. I'm curious - when you finally saw the 290 code, did you get any notification from the IRS, or did you just discover it during one of your weekly transcript checks? I've been checking mine religiously but I'm wondering if I should expect some kind of letter or notice when it's actually complete. Also, thanks for validating the decision to pay upfront. I was worried I might have complicated things by sending money before they finished processing, but it sounds like it was actually the right move to prevent interest from piling up during this endless wait!
Connor O'Neill
This has been such a comprehensive and helpful thread! I wanted to add one more potential source that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you've ever worked with or consulted for any accounting firms, bookkeeping services, or other tax professionals, check any contractor agreements or W-9 forms you might have on file. When I did some freelance work for a larger CPA firm a few years back, they required me to provide my PTIN on the contractor paperwork since I was doing tax preparation work under their supervision. I completely forgot about this until I was cleaning out old files and found the paperwork with my PTIN clearly listed in the credentials section. Also, if you've ever had to provide professional references for anything (job applications, professional memberships, etc.), you might have sent your credentials to references who could still have that information. I once provided my PTIN to a former supervisor who was serving as a reference, and when I reached out to them recently about something unrelated, they mentioned they still had all my credential information in their files. The collective wisdom in this thread is amazing - between all these suggestions, it seems like there are dozens of places to check before having to navigate the IRS phone system. Really appreciate how this community comes together to solve these practical challenges that we all face!
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Mei Liu
β’This entire thread has been absolutely incredible! As someone who's relatively new to the tax preparation field, I'm honestly amazed at how many different places our PTIN information can end up being stored. Reading through everyone's suggestions has been like getting a masterclass in professional credential management. The contractor agreement angle you just mentioned is really smart - I did some part-time work for a local accounting office when I was first getting started, and you're absolutely right that they would have needed my PTIN for their records. I should definitely check those old employment files. What really strikes me about this whole discussion is how it highlights the importance of keeping better track of our professional information from the start. Between tax software accounts, professional memberships, insurance applications, state registrations, client files, and all these other places everyone has mentioned, our credentials really do get scattered everywhere over the years. I'm definitely going to create a secure credential tracking system after reading this - maybe a password-protected document or spreadsheet where I record not just the PTIN itself, but also everywhere I've used it. That way if I ever run into this problem in the future, I'll have a roadmap of places to check. Thanks to everyone who contributed to this discussion - the collective problem-solving here has been phenomenal and will undoubtedly help many other tax professionals who find themselves in similar situations!
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Paolo Ricci
This thread is absolutely fantastic - reading through all these suggestions has been incredibly educational! As someone who just recently started preparing taxes professionally, I had no idea there were so many places where PTIN information gets stored over time. I wanted to add one more potential resource that might help others in similar situations: if you've ever submitted continuing education transcripts to any state boards or regulatory agencies, your PTIN might be included on those submissions. Many states require annual CE reporting for various professional licenses, and if you've cross-reported any tax-related education hours, your PTIN could be on file with those agencies. Also, for anyone who uses cloud storage services like Dropbox, Google Drive, or OneDrive for their business documents, try searching within those platforms for "PTIN" or your social security number. I've found that many of us end up storing scanned copies of important forms and correspondence in cloud storage, and the search functionality might turn up documents we've forgotten about. The collaborative problem-solving in this community is really impressive - between the original suggestions about the IRS self-service portal and all these creative alternatives everyone has shared, there are truly dozens of options to try before having to deal with phone support. This is exactly the kind of practical, real-world advice that makes such a difference during busy season. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences and solutions!
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