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Great thread everyone! As someone who's been dealing with PFIC reporting for my international portfolio, I wanted to add a few practical tips that have helped me streamline the process: 1. **Document everything throughout the year** - Don't wait until tax season to gather your PFIC information. I keep a simple folder with quarterly statements and note any distributions immediately. 2. **Currency conversion timing matters** - Make sure you're using the correct exchange rates for the specific dates (January 1st for beginning values, December 31st for ending values). The IRS has specific guidance on which rates to use. 3. **Consider the QEF election alternative** - While MTM is simpler for most people, if your foreign fund provides the necessary annual information statements, the QEF election might be more tax-efficient long-term, especially for funds you plan to hold for many years. 4. **State tax implications** - Don't forget that some states don't conform to federal PFIC elections, which can create additional complexity in your state returns. For those struggling with the technical aspects, the key is really having accurate beginning and ending values. Everything else on Form 8621 flows from those numbers. And yes, you can definitely e-file - I've done it successfully with both TaxAct and Drake Tax for several years now.

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This is such valuable practical advice, thank you! I'm particularly interested in your point about state tax implications - I hadn't even considered that. I'm in California and have been assuming my state return would just follow whatever I do on the federal level. Can you elaborate on what "states don't conform to federal PFIC elections" actually means in practice? Also, your tip about currency conversion timing is spot on. I made an error last year using year-end rates for everything instead of the specific dates, and it caused a discrepancy that I had to amend. The IRS Publication 538 has the official exchange rates if anyone needs them, but I've found the Federal Reserve's historical data is often easier to navigate for the exact dates you need. One thing I'd add to your excellent list - if you're working with a tax preparer, make sure they actually understand PFIC reporting. I went through two different preparers who claimed they could handle it but clearly didn't understand the nuances. The specialized knowledge required really makes a difference in getting it right the first time.

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This has been such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation where I have PFICs in both taxable and retirement accounts. Just wanted to confirm what @Andre Dupont mentioned earlier - PFICs held in traditional IRAs, Roth IRAs, and 401(k)s are indeed exempt from Form 8621 reporting requirements under IRC Section 1298(f). This exemption can save a lot of headaches if you're able to hold your foreign investments in retirement accounts instead of taxable accounts. For those who are stuck with taxable PFIC holdings, I've found that keeping a simple annual calendar reminder to capture January 1st and December 31st values makes the whole process much smoother. I set alerts to screenshot the relevant fund pages on those specific dates, which eliminates the scramble to find historical data later. One last tip - if you're considering selling your PFIC investments to avoid the reporting complexity (as @AstroAdventurer mentioned), be aware that you'll still need to file Form 8621 for the year you sell, and you might face some additional complications if you haven't been compliant with PFIC reporting in previous years. Sometimes it's worth getting everything properly reported first before making the decision to divest.

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Layla Mendes

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This is exactly the kind of comprehensive information I wish I'd had when I first discovered my foreign index funds were PFICs! The retirement account exemption is such a game-changer - I've been considering rolling some of my taxable investments into my IRA specifically to avoid the annual Form 8621 headache. Your point about the calendar reminders is brilliant and something I'm definitely going to implement. I've been trying to reconstruct historical values from old screenshots and brokerage statements, which is incredibly time-consuming and error-prone. One question about the sale complications you mentioned - if someone has been non-compliant with PFIC reporting in previous years, is there a way to catch up without facing massive penalties? I'm asking for a friend who may have unknowingly held PFICs for a couple years before realizing the reporting requirements. The IRS penalty structure for unreported PFICs seems pretty severe, and I'm wondering if there are any relief procedures available for unintentional non-compliance.

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Ryan Young

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I'm going through something similar but with adoption. We paid fees this year but won't finalize until next year. My tax guy said to keep ALL receipts because some expenses like this can be rolled into the following year's taxes when the child is actually your dependent. Not sure if it's the same for birth, but worth asking a professional.

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Sophia Clark

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There's actually a big difference between adoption expenses and childcare expenses for tax purposes. The adoption tax credit works differently and allows you to claim qualified adoption expenses paid before the adoption is finalized. The childcare credit doesn't have similar provisions - it requires the dependent to exist when the care is provided.

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I'm dealing with a similar situation and found it helpful to think about this in terms of timing and what the IRS actually considers "care." The key issue is that the Child and Dependent Care Credit requires three things: 1) you have a qualifying dependent, 2) care was actually provided, and 3) you paid for that care. Even though you're paying now, no actual care is being provided until your baby arrives. The deposit is essentially reserving future care, not purchasing current care. It's frustrating because you're out the money now, but the IRS timing rules are pretty strict. One thing that might help - ask your daycare how they'll handle that deposit once your baby starts. If they apply it directly to your first month's payment rather than keeping it as a separate "holding fee," it'll be cleaner to claim on your 2025 taxes. Some daycares are flexible about restructuring these payments if you explain the tax situation. Also worth noting that if your baby arrives before December 31st (even on New Year's Eve!), you can claim them as a dependent for the full 2024 tax year, which opens up other credits like the Child Tax Credit, just not the childcare credit for pre-birth expenses.

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This is really helpful clarification! I hadn't thought about asking the daycare to restructure how they handle the deposit. That's a great practical tip that could make the 2025 tax filing much cleaner. Your point about the three requirements for the credit makes it crystal clear why the timing doesn't work for 2024. I think I was getting confused between paying for care versus care actually being provided - thanks for breaking that down so clearly. Fingers crossed our little guy stays put until January as planned, but it's good to know that if he decides to make an early appearance, we'd at least get the Child Tax Credit for this year!

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This is definitely a common scam targeting new LLC owners! I fell for something similar when I started my consulting business - paid $75 for a "required business registration update" that turned out to be completely unnecessary. The Certificate of Good Standing is a real document, but it's only needed in specific situations like opening a business bank account, applying for certain licenses, or if you're expanding to operate in other states. For a single-member freelance design LLC, you probably don't need it right now. Here's how to spot these solicitations: look for fine print saying "not affiliated with any government agency," check if the fee seems inflated (real certificates usually cost $10-30 from your state), and verify directly with your state's Secretary of State office before paying anything. When you do eventually need the certificate, just order it directly from your state's website - it's cheaper, faster, and you'll know it's legitimate. Save that $89.50 for actual business expenses!

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Lily Young

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This thread has been so eye-opening! I'm also a newcomer to business ownership and just formed my LLC for freelance graphic design work. Reading everyone's experiences makes me realize I need to be way more skeptical of these official-looking letters. I actually have a stack of similar mailings sitting on my desk that I've been afraid to ignore - things about "business license renewals" and "corporate compliance packages." After reading all these responses, I'm going to check each one against my state's actual website before paying anything. It's really helpful to know that the Certificate of Good Standing is a real thing but not something I need right away. I was planning to open a business bank account soon anyway, so I'll just get it directly from my state when I'm ready for that step. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - this community is saving new business owners like us from some expensive mistakes!

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I'm dealing with this exact same issue right now! Just formed my LLC for my photography business last month and have been getting what feels like an endless stream of official-looking letters demanding payments for various "certificates" and "compliance requirements." The Certificate of Good Standing letter was the first one - asking for $87 - but then came letters about "mandatory EIN confirmation" ($65), "business license verification" ($120), and something called an "annual corporate kit" ($149). Each one made it sound like my business would be in serious trouble if I didn't pay immediately. After reading through everyone's responses here, I went back and checked all these letters more carefully. Every single one has tiny disclaimer text saying they're "not affiliated with any government agency" hidden at the bottom! I can't believe how close I came to paying hundreds of dollars for services I don't even need. It's really frustrating that these companies specifically prey on new business owners who are already anxious about doing everything correctly. Thank you all for sharing your experiences - this thread probably just saved me from making some very expensive mistakes. Going forward, I'm definitely verifying everything directly with my state's Secretary of State office before paying any fees.

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Lilah Brooks

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Wow, this is incredibly helpful! I'm also brand new to running a business (just started my freelance marketing consultancy LLC) and have been getting similar letters. Reading your list of all the different "mandatory" services they're trying to sell is eye-opening - I got the EIN confirmation one too and was wondering if it was legit! It's such a relief to know I'm not the only one dealing with this. These companies are really good at making their letters look official and using scary language about compliance. I'm definitely going to go through all my business mail tonight and check for those disclaimers you mentioned. Thanks for taking the time to share all the different types of solicitations you've received - it's like a roadmap of what to watch out for! This community has been amazing for helping new business owners like us avoid these traps.

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Aisha Khan

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Based on my experience working in tax preparation for the past few years, I'd definitely recommend taking the H&R Block class even with your accounting background. While your degree gives you solid theoretical knowledge, the practical application in a professional tax prep environment is quite different. The class covers H&R Block's specific client interview protocols, their proprietary software navigation, and quality control procedures that are unique to their operation. Even experienced accountants benefit from learning their standardized approach to handling various client scenarios - from missing documentation to complex family situations affecting filing status. What really made the difference for me was the hands-on practice with their professional software while working through realistic client scenarios. Consumer tax software like TurboTax operates completely differently from their professional-grade system, and learning to navigate it efficiently while maintaining good client interaction takes dedicated practice. The networking aspect is huge too. The managers who teach these classes often become valuable mentors throughout your first season. Having someone to call when you encounter your first really complex return or unusual client situation provides tremendous peace of mind during those stressful February and March rushes. Your accounting degree definitely gives you an advantage, but the class will teach you how to apply that knowledge within H&R Block's specific framework. The confidence boost alone is worth the time investment - you'll start your first tax season feeling genuinely prepared rather than learning everything on the fly while clients depend on accurate returns.

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This thread has been incredibly enlightening for someone just starting to explore tax preparation! Reading through all these detailed experiences from people who've actually been through this decision process has really helped clarify what's at stake here. What strikes me most is how everyone emphasizes that H&R Block's approach goes far beyond just tax knowledge - it's about mastering their entire professional system. The structured client interview process, quality control procedures, and software workflow that @Aisha Khan and others have described sound like they require dedicated training to do effectively. I m'particularly convinced by the point that multiple people made about the difference between understanding tax concepts academically versus applying them in real client situations. Working with actual people who might be stressed, unprepared, or missing documentation while navigating professional software simultaneously sounds like something you really need hands-on practice with. The mentor relationship aspect that keeps coming up in everyone s'responses also seems invaluable. Having experienced instructors available to help when you encounter challenging situations during your first busy season would provide such peace of mind. That support network alone might justify the time investment in the class. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this discussion has been incredibly helpful for understanding what this career path actually involves!

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I've been following this discussion as someone who recently made a similar transition from general accounting to tax preparation. The consensus here is spot-on - definitely take the H&R Block class even with your accounting degree. What really surprised me was how much the day-to-day reality of tax preparation differs from what I expected based on my educational background. The class taught me H&R Block's systematic approach to client interviews, which is crucial when you're dealing with people who might show up with a shoebox full of receipts or unclear about their filing status. The software training alone justified the time investment for me. Their professional system has workflows and capabilities that are completely different from consumer products. Learning to navigate it smoothly while explaining concepts to clients and maintaining accuracy requires practice that you can only get through hands-on training. But honestly, the most valuable aspect was building relationships with the instructors and managers. During my first tax season, I encountered several complex situations - like a client with rental properties in multiple states and a messy divorce situation affecting dependent claims. Having instructors I could call for guidance made all the difference between feeling confident and competent versus stressed and overwhelmed. Your accounting background will definitely help with understanding the underlying concepts, but the class will teach you how to apply that knowledge efficiently and professionally in H&R Block's specific environment. The time investment upfront is absolutely worth the confidence and preparation it provides for your first busy season.

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This entire discussion has been incredibly valuable for someone in my position! Reading through all these detailed experiences from people who've actually navigated this decision has really clarified what I should expect. What really resonates with me is how everyone emphasizes that the H&R Block class isn't just about tax knowledge - it's comprehensive professional training in their specific methodology, client management techniques, and quality standards. @Yuki Watanabe s'point about the day-to-day reality being different from academic expectations is particularly eye-opening. The systematic client interview approach that multiple people have mentioned sounds crucial, especially when dealing with clients who might arrive unprepared or stressed. Learning how to efficiently gather information while maintaining professional service standards seems like something that definitely requires structured training. I m'also really impressed by the ongoing mentor relationships that so many people described. Having experienced instructors available to help navigate complex situations during that first hectic season sounds invaluable. That support network combined with the confidence from thorough training seems like it would make those busy February and March months much more manageable. Thanks to everyone who shared such detailed, honest experiences - you ve'completely convinced me that taking the class is the smart investment in my professional development and success!

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Eli Butler

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For FreeTaxUSA specifically, you can actually put $0 in that field. I had the same issue and called their support line. The rep told me that if I don't maintain inventory (like in your case of just selling random household items), zero is perfectly fine to enter. It's just that their software won't let you leave it completely blank.

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Anna Stewart

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Thanks! That's exactly what I needed to know. Did they mention anything about whether putting zero might trigger any kind of review from the IRS? That's my main concern.

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Eli Butler

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The rep actually addressed that directly - putting $0 won't trigger any IRS flags by itself. They said what typically raises questions is inconsistency (like reporting high revenue with zero expenses) or unusual patterns. For casual sellers, zero inventory is completely normal and expected. Just make sure the rest of your Schedule C accurately reflects your activity - if you're truly just selling personal items occasionally, your expenses should be minimal and your profit margins would make sense for a casual seller rather than a regular business.

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I'm a little confused about all this - if you're just selling your own stuff on eBay shouldn't this be considered just selling personal items? I thought you only need to report as business income if you're buying stuff to resell for profit?

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Lydia Bailey

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That's technically correct. If you're selling personal items for less than you paid for them, it's not considered income and doesn't need to be reported on Schedule C. But if you got a 1099-K from eBay (which they now issue for $600+ in sales), you generally need to report it somewhere on your return to avoid a mismatch notice.

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