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Hey everyone, I'm really freaking out right now. I'm 21 and just realized I've been filing as exempt on my W4 for almost a year without knowing it. I'm in Oregon and started at my current job in March 2024, and I just discovered this mess when I was checking my pay stubs for a car loan application last week. Somehow on my W4, there was this section where you can write in to be exempt from federal withholding, and apparently that box was checked or filled in. I swear I NEVER intentionally did this - I have zero memory of making this selection. No one at my company's payroll department ever mentioned anything was wrong either, which seems crazy to me. I haven't been looking at my pay stubs regularly (been dealing with some anxiety issues), so I completely missed that no federal taxes were being withheld. Now according to my calculations, I owe about $4,400 to the IRS when I file in 2025. I'm completely broke right now. I just finished paying for some therapy sessions out of pocket and moved into a new apartment which drained my savings. How am I supposed to come up with $4,400? Is there any way to fix this or at least make it manageable? Can I blame my employer for not alerting me? I'm so stressed out I can barely sleep. Any advice would be really appreciated. Sorry if this post is all over the place - I'm kinda panicking.
I finally got my S-Corp setup (just me, single member) and now I'm trying to figure out the payroll stuff. I'm planning to use QuickBooks or maybe Gusto to handle the payroll processing. My plan is to take about 50% of the business income as salary and the other 50% as dividends. What's really confusing me is understanding what taxes I'll owe on both portions. Are payroll taxes only on the salary part? Do I pay different taxes on the dividend portion? And how the heck do I calculate what my actual payroll tax amount will be? The business should bring in around $120k this year, so I'm thinking $60k salary and $60k dividends. But I have no idea what that means for my tax situation and what I should be setting aside. Any help would be super appreciated!
Just so we're clear about the tax savings structure of an S-Corp: When you take money as salary: - You pay income tax - You pay employee portion of FICA (7.65%) - Your business pays employer portion of FICA (7.65%) - Plus unemployment taxes When you take money as distributions: - You pay income tax - NO FICA taxes! That's why the salary vs. distribution split matters so much. But remember the salary MUST be reasonable for your role or you're asking for trouble. I've been running my S-Corp for 7 years and my accountant says the IRS is increasingly scrutinizing S-Corps with unusually low salaries compared to distributions.
How do you determine what percentage is "reasonable"? Is there a specific formula the IRS uses or is it more of a judgment call?
There's no specific formula or percentage the IRS mandates - it's more of a facts and circumstances test. The IRS looks at factors like your qualifications, duties, time spent in the business, what comparable positions pay in your industry and region, and the financial performance of your business. For some businesses, a 50/50 split might be perfectly reasonable, while in others (especially service businesses where the owner's expertise is the primary value), the salary portion should be higher. I recommend researching salary data for your position in your area using resources like the Bureau of Labor Statistics or industry compensation surveys to support whatever split you choose.
I've used both. Gusto is MUCH more user-friendly for S-Corp payroll specifically. They have an owner setup wizard that walks you through things like reasonable compensation documentation. QuickBooks is more robust for overall accounting but their payroll can be confusing for S-Corp owner-employees. Gusto also automatically handles all the special forms for paying yourself as an S-Corp owner.
I've been helping my brother who's drowning in IRS debt. He had one exceptional year in 2019 (around $105K income) but typically makes very little through his small landscaping business. Last year his gross income was only about $35K. His taxes, penalties, and interest have been accumulating since 2019, and he now owes approximately $67K for tax years 2019-2022. He's 52 years old with about $8K in savings and a retirement account worth roughly $40K. No significant assets beyond his work truck, lives with our elderly parents, and can barely stay afloat financially each month despite cutting every possible expense. I want to submit an Offer in Compromise for him as soon as possible. I work in financial consulting but have never handled an OIC before. What's a reasonable amount to offer the IRS in his situation? I'm worried they'll force him to liquidate his retirement account or take what little savings he has. He's honestly trying his best but struggles with severe ADHD that makes paperwork and financial management extremely difficult. Any advice on the OIC process or what might be considered a reasonable offer would be tremendously helpful.
One thing to consider with an OIC is that you'll need to stay completely compliant with all tax filings and payments for the next 5 years after acceptance. If your brother struggles with executive functioning, make sure you have a plan in place to help him stay on top of quarterly estimated payments and annual filings. I've seen people get their OICs accepted only to default because they couldn't maintain compliance. The IRS will reinstate the original debt (minus payments made) if compliance isn't maintained.
That's really important to know - I hadn't considered the long-term compliance requirements. If the OIC is accepted, I'll definitely need to set up a system to help him stay on track with quarterly payments. Maybe setting up automatic transfers to a tax savings account? Would monthly estimated payments be allowed instead of quarterly to make it more manageable?
Monthly payments towards quarterly tax obligations are definitely doable and often more manageable for people with executive functioning challenges. I recommend setting up an automatic transfer to a separate "tax account" on a monthly basis. The IRS just wants their quarterly payments received on time - they don't care how you save for them. Another approach that helps many of my clients is having a tax professional set up automatic reminders and check-ins. The most important thing is creating a system that doesn't rely on memory or executive function. Payment plans with automatic drafts can also be very helpful if needed in the future.
Make sure your brother's living situation is clearly documented when submitting the OIC. If he's living with your parents without paying rent, the IRS might assign "housing value" as income. You'll need to explain if this is a temporary hardship arrangement or if there are caregiving responsibilities involved. Also, does he qualify for any assistance programs based on his income level? Participation in certain assistance programs can strengthen a hardship claim.
This is a great point. When I submitted my OIC, the IRS initially rejected it because they calculated "imputed income" for my housing situation since I was staying with family. I had to resubmit with documentation showing the arrangement was temporary due to financial hardship.
Thank you for pointing this out! He actually does help care for our parents occasionally, so I'll make sure to document that as part of the living arrangement. He doesn't currently receive any assistance programs but may qualify for some based on income. Would applying for those programs before submitting the OIC be beneficial? Or would that potentially complicate matters?
My father passed away in August 2022, and as the executor I'm electing to use August 2022 - July 31, 2023 as the fiscal year for the estate's Form 1041 filing. Among the estate assets is a brokerage account valued around $675k with various stocks, bonds and mutual funds. I've been receiving dividend income from these investments throughout the fiscal year. For 2022, I have the 1099-DIV that breaks down all the dividend income appropriately. The supplemental information attached to the 1099 provides an even more detailed security-by-security breakdown showing which portions of dividends were qualified, which bond distributions were tax-exempt, etc. My problem is for May, June, and July 2023, I don't have a 1099 giving me that level of detail. The monthly brokerage statements only show total distributions for each security, labeled simply as "dividends" or "interest" without specifying whether they're qualified dividends, tax-exempt interest, or other types of distributions that would affect how they're reported on Form 1041. How am I supposed to properly categorize these distributions for the estate's fiscal year Form 1041 without the detailed breakdown a 1099 would provide? Do I need to contact the brokerage for this information or is there another approach I should take?
Another option to consider for your Form 1041 estate accounting issue: I've found that most brokerages maintain underlying classification data for dividends throughout the year, even before they generate the official 1099-DIV. If you log into your online brokerage account, look for a section called "Tax Center" or "Tax Information." Many platforms allow you to generate customized tax reports for date ranges that don't align with calendar years. I was able to get this for my father's estate with Fidelity, and I believe Schwab and Vanguard offer similar functionality. The key is that you need the classification between qualified dividends (which get preferential tax rates) and non-qualified dividends for accurate Form 1041 reporting.
Does this work for accounts that hold REITs? Those distributions are especially complicated with return of capital, etc. I'm struggling with exactly this issue right now for an estate I'm administering.
Yes, it actually works quite well for REITs, which are one of the most complicated assets for estate fiscal year accounting. The brokerage's tax center will typically show the breakdown of REIT distributions into ordinary income, qualified dividends, capital gain distributions, and return of capital. For the fiscal portion where you don't yet have the official breakdown, many brokerages will let you see the preliminary classification based on what the REIT has announced. REITs are required to announce their dividend tax classifications, even though the official 1099 comes later. If you can't find this in your brokerage's system, you can often go directly to the investor relations section of the REIT's website and find their dividend tax classification announcements.
An important thing to note with Form 1041 estate filings using a fiscal year: you need to make sure you're using the correct tax rates and forms. For a fiscal year that includes parts of 2022 and 2023, you would use the 2022 Form 1041 (not the 2023 version) since the fiscal year began in 2022. But you'll compute the tax using a blended rate based on the portion of income that falls in each calendar year.
I'm getting seriously confused the more I research this, hoping someone here has insight. **Job 1: Full-time W2 position**; I'm currently contributing the max $22,500 for the year. My employer adds around $5,800 in matching. Total going in is about $28,300. **Job 2: W2 Contract role** (not a 1099 contractor) **Is it possible to contribute to a second 401k through my Job 2? And if yes, does my total personal contribution limit across both jobs still max at $22,500?** Job 2 doesn't offer any matching contributions whatsoever. As a side question - would setting up a backdoor ROTH or 401k make any sense given my situation? I've heard these mentioned but not sure if they apply to someone with two W2 jobs.
Don't forget to check if either of your employers allows after-tax contributions to your 401k (sometimes called "mega backdoor Roth"). The $22,500 limit is only for traditional pre-tax and Roth 401k contributions combined. Some plans allow additional after-tax contributions up to the total annual limit ($69,000 minus employer contributions minus your $22,500). This is different from the regular backdoor Roth IRA, which you should also consider if your income exceeds the Roth IRA limits.
How do you know if your plan allows this? Is it something I need to ask HR about specifically? I've never seen "after-tax contributions" as an option in either of my employer's benefit portals.
You need to ask your HR department or plan administrator specifically about "after-tax contributions" (not Roth contributions, which are different). Many employers don't advertise this feature even when they have it. You'll also want to ask if they allow in-plan Roth conversions or in-service withdrawals of these after-tax contributions. Not all 401k plans offer this option - it's more common with larger employers. If either of your plans does allow it, it's a powerful way to get more money into tax-advantaged accounts beyond the standard limits.
Make sure you don't accidentally over-contribute across your two jobs! This happened to me last year and it was a nightmare to fix. Had to contact both plan administrators, fill out excess contribution forms, and pay taxes on the earnings. The worst part was neither employer's HR dept knew how to handle it.
Carmen Lopez
Something else to consider - you might qualify for a reduced installment plan based on your income. I was in a similar situation last year (owed about $5K) and qualified for what they call a "streamlined" installment plan. The application is Form 9465. You'll need to provide some basic info about your income and expenses. If your income is relatively low, which sounds like it might be the case, they may approve a lower monthly payment than the standard calculation. Also, get a copy of your wage and income transcript from the IRS website. It's free and will show exactly what's been reported for you. This helps make sure there aren't any other surprises waiting when you file.
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Zara Rashid
AuthorThanks for the tip about Form 9465. Is that something I'd need to submit now, or when I actually file my taxes next year? And how long does it typically take for the IRS to approve an installment plan?
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Carmen Lopez
You'll submit Form 9465 when you file your tax return, so you don't need to worry about it until tax time next year (unless you're filing for a previous year). You can actually include it right with your tax return, which is the easiest approach. The IRS is pretty quick with streamlined installment agreements. If you owe less than $10,000, request a reasonable monthly payment, and have filed all required tax returns, approval is usually automatic and happens within about 30 days. If you apply online through the IRS website after filing, it can sometimes be approved immediately. Just make sure when you file that you still pay as much as you can upfront - this reduces the amount subject to penalties and interest. Every dollar you can pay when filing saves you money in the long run!
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AstroAdventurer
Just a heads up - make sure you check your state tax situation too! Depending on what state you're in, your W4 exemption might have also affected your state withholding. Many states use the federal W4 as a basis for their withholding. I had the same issue in Washington and thought I was fine since WA doesn't have income tax, but I had previously lived in Oregon for part of the year and ended up owing state taxes there as well. Don't want you to get hit with a second surprise bill!
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Andre Dupont
Good point! Oregon has pretty high state income taxes too. OP mentioned being in Washington, which doesn't have state income tax, but if they worked in OR at all or live near the border and work in OR, they could definitely have state tax obligations.
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