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Ravi Kapoor

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Former tax preparer here. Just to reinforce what others have said - skipping filing is NEVER a good idea if you're required to file. The penalties are severe and compound quickly. Here's what you should know: if you make above certain thresholds, you must file regardless of whether you owe money or not. For 2024 (filing in 2025), a married couple filing jointly must file if their gross income is $27,700 or more. Different thresholds apply to different filing statuses. The IRS would much rather have you file and set up a payment plan than not file at all. They're actually pretty reasonable to work with if you're proactive and honest.

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Paolo Moretti

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Thank you so much for this info! Do you know if there's any way to get the penalties reduced if it really was due to an employer error with the withholding? My husband asked HR to withhold additional money from each check and they apparently never set it up correctly.

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Ravi Kapoor

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You might be able to request penalty abatement, especially if this is your first time having an issue with taxes. The IRS has what's called "First Time Penalty Abatement" which can waive penalties if you haven't had any significant penalties in the past three tax years and have filed all required returns and paid (or arranged to pay) any tax due. For the employer error specifically, that's unfortunately common and usually doesn't qualify for special treatment on its own since ultimately it's the taxpayer's responsibility to verify proper withholding. However, you could request a letter from HR acknowledging their mistake, which might help support your case for penalty abatement. I'd recommend filing on time, setting up a payment plan, and then separately requesting the penalty abatement afterward.

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Freya Larsen

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I'm confused about something - can't you just file an extension if you need more time to come up with the money?

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Amina Diop

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An extension gives you more time to file your tax return (until October 15th), but it doesn't give you more time to pay what you owe. The payment is still due by the original tax deadline (usually April 15th). If you file an extension but don't pay by the original deadline, you'll still face failure-to-pay penalties and interest on the unpaid amount. However, you'll avoid the much larger failure-to-file penalties, so it's still better than not filing at all.

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Freya Larsen

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Oh that makes sense! I thought it gave you extra time for both. Thanks for explaining that - definitely good to know!

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US citizen born abroad - never filed US taxes - what do I need to do before moving to the USA?

I just discovered something that's freaking me out a bit. I'm a dual citizen (born in the USA but lived my whole life in Argentina) and apparently I was supposed to be filing US tax returns this entire time? I had no idea! I'm planning to move to the States within the next couple years and want to make sure I don't get in trouble with the IRS when I arrive. What should I do to get caught up on my taxes? Should I just start filing next year and forget about the past ones? Or do I need to go back and file for previous years? I'm concerned about whether I'll owe any money. I know there are laws about not being double-taxed since I already pay taxes here in Argentina. Looking at the IRS website's "who must file" section, I think I only qualify under the self-employed category. I work with a partner and we run a small business together. For context: I'm 32, have valid US and Argentinian passports, SSN, and birth certificates. I've traveled internationally using both passports without issues. My income is modest - I make around the minimum wage from my company (I own 40% of shares). The business is very small with just two partners and no employees. We make about $23,000 a year total from professional training services and retail book sales. I personally earn less than $12,000 annually but more than $400 from the business. I've never had more than $10,000 in my combined accounts. I have some local investments, but when opening these accounts, I never checked the "US person" box because I've always considered myself primarily Argentinian. I did briefly have an investment account allowing me to own US stocks directly (about $1,300), but I closed that a few years ago. What's the best way to handle this situation and get compliant with the IRS before I move?

Emily Jackson

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One thing people haven't mentioned - if you have any investments abroad, you might need to file FATCA forms too (Form 8938). The threshold is higher than FBAR but it's another reporting requirement. Also, make sure any business you partially own isn't considered a Passive Foreign Investment Company (PFIC) - that has complicated tax consequences. Your business probably isn't based on what you described, but worth checking.

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Thanks for bringing that up! I hadn't considered FATCA at all. My investments are pretty minimal, but I should definitely check if they exceed the threshold. Do you know if the 40% ownership in my small company would trigger any special filing requirements? It's definitely not a passive investment - we actively run the business together.

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Emily Jackson

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Your 40% ownership in an active business where you're actually working probably won't trigger PFIC concerns, but it might require you to file Form 8858 (for foreign disregarded entities) or Form 8865 (for foreign partnerships), depending on how your business is structured in Argentina. These forms basically just disclose your ownership interest to the IRS. Since you're actively involved in the business, you would report your income as self-employment income on Schedule C, and you'd need to pay self-employment tax unless there's a totalization agreement between the US and Argentina. The income itself might be excludable via the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion, but the SE tax often still applies.

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Liam Mendez

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When you move to the US, be prepared for the reality shock of filing US taxes. As someone who moved here from Australia 5 years ago, the tax system here is MUCH more complicated than most other countries. Start learning about state taxes too, because depending on which state you move to, the rules can be completely different. Some states have no income tax (like Florida and Texas) while others have high rates (California, New York).

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Sophia Nguyen

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This is so true! I moved from UK to Massachusetts and was shocked at how complicated everything is. In the UK, most people don't even file taxes - it's all done automatically through your employer. Here I had to learn about federal, state AND city taxes in some places.

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Malia Ponder

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet is that while you can't deduct child support, if you're paying for your children's medical expenses or qualified education expenses directly (not through support payments), those might qualify for certain tax benefits even if you don't claim them as dependents. Also, check your divorce decree about who claims the kids. Sometimes they alternate years or split the kids between parents. If there's nothing specified, then yes, typically the custodial parent claims them, but there might be wiggle room you don't know about.

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Ally Tailer

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That's actually really helpful! Some of my payments go directly to their health insurance and not to my ex. Would that part be deductible? And our decree just says she gets to claim them as dependents since they live with her over 50% of the time.

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Malia Ponder

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If you're paying for health insurance directly (not through your employer but actually writing separate checks for their coverage), you might be able to include that amount as a medical expense deduction if you itemize and your total medical expenses exceed 7.5% of your AGI. It's not a direct deduction for child support, but it could help. Regarding your decree saying she claims them - that's pretty standard unfortunately. Your best bet might be to see if she'd be willing to give you Form 8332 for one child in alternating years, which some co-parents do to make things more equitable. Sometimes offering to split any additional refund can help persuade them.

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Kyle Wallace

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Hey, not sure if this helps but I was in a similar situation and found that even though I couldn't deduct child support, I was able to contribute to a 529 college savings plan for my kids which gave me a state tax deduction (depends on your state though). Might be worth looking into since it's something that benefits your kids but also gives you some tax advantage.

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Ryder Ross

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This is actually really smart. I do this too - my state gives a deduction up to $4000 per year for 529 contributions. It's not federal but still saves me about $200 in state taxes while saving for my kid's college.

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Jenna Sloan

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One thing to consider is pulling your Wage and Income transcripts too, not just your Return transcripts. This will show all W-2s and 1099s reported under your SSN, which can help you recreate returns for any unfiled years. If your ex didn't file in some years, you'll need this info to file correctly. Also, since you mentioned being married filing jointly previously, be aware that you're both equally liable for any joint returns - even if he was the one who prepared them. If there are unfiled years or issues with past returns, you might want to look into Innocent Spouse Relief if he did anything shady on those returns.

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Thank you for this advice. I hadn't even thought about Innocent Spouse Relief. Is that difficult to qualify for? I'm really worried about what I might find when I get these transcripts.

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Jenna Sloan

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Innocent Spouse Relief has specific requirements, but it's definitely worth exploring if you discover any serious issues on joint returns. It's most applicable when one spouse did something wrong (like underreporting income) without the other spouse's knowledge. The key factors are whether you knew about the underreporting and whether it would be unfair to hold you responsible. Documentation is extremely important - keep those texts where he claimed to handle the taxes. The IRS has Form 8857 for requesting this relief, but I'd recommend consulting with a tax professional before filing it, as the process can be complex.

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While waiting for Friday to call the IRS, you might want to check your credit report too. If the IRS filed liens for unpaid taxes from previous years, they would show up there. It's a quick way to see if there might be serious issues with unfiled/unpaid taxes.

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Sasha Reese

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This is really smart advice. Tax liens can absolutely destroy your credit score too. I had a friend who didn't know her husband hadn't filed for 3 years, and the first she heard about it was when she got denied for a mortgage.

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James Johnson

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Has anyone actually had experience selling ISO shares years after exercising them? I'm wondering how the IRS matches up the original exercise info with the eventual sale. Do they actually cross-reference your old Form 3921 when you report capital gains years later?

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I sold some ISO shares last year that I had exercised 3 years prior. The broker reported the sale on Form 1099-B but only included the exercise price as my basis, not any AMT adjustments I had previously paid. I had to manually adjust my basis on Schedule D to avoid double taxation. The IRS never questioned it, but I kept meticulous records including my original Form 3921 and the tax return where I reported the AMT adjustment. My understanding is that the IRS systems don't automatically cross-reference your old 3921, so good record-keeping is essential.

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James Johnson

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Thanks for sharing your experience. That's helpful to know about the 1099-B only showing the exercise price. I'll make sure to keep all my 3921 forms and tax returns so I can properly adjust my basis when I eventually sell. Sounds like the burden is really on us to track everything correctly.

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Mia Green

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One more thing to consider - even if FreeTaxUSA doesn't have a specific form for 3921, you could use the "Additional Information" or miscellaneous income sections to at least note that you received the form and exercised ISOs below the AMT threshold. That way there's at least some record in your tax return if you ever get questioned.

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Ryder Ross

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That's a smart idea I hadn't thought about. Would I just put it in as an informational note or is there a specific way you'd recommend documenting it?

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Mia Green

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Most tax software has a section for notes or additional information you want the IRS to see. I'd simply list "Received Form 3921 for ISO exercise - below AMT threshold" and include the company name, number of shares, exercise date, and FMV. If there's a miscellaneous forms section, you could also add a brief statement there. The key is to acknowledge you received the form while making it clear there's no tax impact for this year. This creates a paper trail showing you weren't trying to hide anything.

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