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I've been following this discussion with great interest since I'm dealing with a similar underpayment penalty situation. What strikes me is how many of us are experiencing this for the first time after years of using TurboTax without issues. After reading everyone's experiences, I'm definitely going to try the first-time penalty abatement approach before paying my $52 penalty. It's encouraging to hear so many success stories from people who got their penalties completely waived just by asking. One thing I wanted to add - I noticed that my penalty might be related to some freelance work I did last year that I reported on a 1099. Even though it was only about $800 total, it seems like any income without withholding can trigger these penalties if you're not careful. For anyone else in a similar boat, I'm planning to make estimated quarterly payments this year for any 1099 income to avoid this headache in 2026. The IRS website has Form 1040ES for calculating and making these payments. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and solutions - this thread has been incredibly helpful!

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@Maxwell St. Laurent That s a'great point about the 1099 income! Even small amounts can really throw off your tax situation. I had a similar experience a couple years ago with some freelance graphic design work - just $600 total - but it was enough to trigger an underpayment penalty because there was zero withholding on it. The quarterly estimated payments are definitely the way to go for any self-employment or 1099 income. I learned that the hard way! The Form 1040ES you mentioned makes it pretty straightforward to calculate what you should be paying each quarter. One tip I picked up from my tax preparer - if you re not'sure how much freelance work you ll have'during the year, you can also just increase your W-4 withholding from your main job to cover the extra tax liability. Sometimes that s easier'than trying to estimate quarterly payments when your 1099 income is unpredictable. Good luck with your first-time penalty abatement call! Sounds like you have a solid case for getting it waived.

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Yuki Sato

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This whole thread has been incredibly eye-opening! I'm dealing with a $41 underpayment penalty and was honestly ready to just bite the bullet and pay it, but reading about the first-time penalty abatement has completely changed my approach. What's really frustrating is that I've been a loyal TurboTax customer for 6 years with zero issues, and suddenly this penalty appears with basically no useful explanation from their software. You'd think after all these years they'd have some kind of early warning system or at least better guidance about potential penalties. I'm definitely going to try calling the IRS about the first-time penalty abatement - sounds like my situation is perfect for it since I've had clean tax records. The advice about using those exact words when calling is super helpful too. Also planning to use the IRS withholding calculator to adjust my W-4 immediately. I'd rather have a bit too much withheld than deal with this surprise penalty stress again next year. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences and solutions - this community support is way more helpful than anything TurboTax provided when this penalty showed up!

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Kevin Bell

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Ugh, I feel your frustration! I've been through this lockout nightmare myself. In my experience, it's usually 24-48 hours, but I've seen it go as long as 72 hours depending on how overloaded their servers are. The "24 hour" message they show is basically meaningless. While you're waiting, definitely try the automated refund hotline at 1-800-829-1954 - you just need your SSN, filing status, and exact refund amount. Sometimes it has more current info than the website. Also, since you filed March 5th, you're right at that 21-day processing window, so hopefully you'll see movement soon even if you can't access your account right now. One trick that's worked for me: try accessing from a completely different network (like your phone's mobile data instead of home WiFi) or even a different device. Sometimes their IP-based lockout system gets confused and will let you in that way. Worth a shot while you're waiting for the timer to reset! The whole IRS tech infrastructure is stuck in the stone age. Hang in there - your refund is probably processing in the background even if you can't see it right now.

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StarSurfer

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This is really helpful advice! I'm new to dealing with IRS issues and had no idea about trying different networks or the IP-based lockout thing. That's actually genius - I'm definitely going to try switching to my phone's data connection. The automated hotline tip is great too since I'm getting tired of that useless "still processing" message online. It's reassuring to hear from someone who's been through this before that the refund is probably still moving along in the background even when we can't see it. Thanks for taking the time to share these practical tips!

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I've been dealing with IRS lockouts for years and it's always a gamble how long it takes! In my experience, it ranges from 24-72 hours but there's no consistency. The most frustrating part is their messaging says 24 hours but that's rarely accurate. A few tips while you wait: Try the IRS2Go mobile app - sometimes it works when the website doesn't. Also, you can request your transcript by mail if you really need to see the details, though obviously that takes weeks. For immediate status checks, that automated line (1-800-829-1954) is your best bet. Since you filed March 5th, you're hitting that 21-day mark so things should start moving soon. I know waiting is stressful, especially when bills are involved. The "still processing" message is basically useless but it doesn't necessarily mean anything is wrong - just that they're working through their backlog. One last trick: if you have access to a VPN or can try from a friend's house/work, sometimes a different IP address can bypass the lockout early. Their system is pretty archaic so it's worth experimenting. Hang in there!

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Natalie Wang

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I completely understand the panic you must have felt seeing that tab! I went through the exact same thing about two months ago and it really threw me for a loop. What helped me was understanding that the IRS has been rolling out these new portal features in waves, and they're appearing for everyone regardless of their actual tax situation. The fact that you already received your refund is actually the most reassuring sign possible. The IRS has automated systems that flag returns for review BEFORE they issue refunds, not after. If there had been any issues with your 2022 return, they would have held your refund while they reviewed it. I ended up calling the IRS (which took forever to get through) and the representative confirmed that these new tabs are part of their system modernization but don't indicate your personal status unless you've received official mail from them. Since you haven't gotten any letters, you're almost certainly not being audited. Try not to stress too much - the new interface is just poorly designed from a user experience standpoint. They really should only show relevant tabs instead of displaying everything to everyone!

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience! It's really comforting to hear from someone who went through the exact same panic. I was literally losing sleep over this when I first saw that tab appear. Your point about the automated systems flagging returns BEFORE refunds makes total sense - I hadn't thought about it that way. It's such a relief to know that getting my refund in March was actually a good sign rather than something to worry about. I really appreciate you taking the time to call the IRS and share what you learned. It sounds like so many of us have been confused by this poorly designed rollout. The IRS definitely needs to work on their user experience - this tab is causing way more anxiety than it should!

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NebulaNinja

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I'm seeing a lot of great advice here, but wanted to add something that might help with future IRS communication confusion. I've been using a service called TaxBandits for document management and they recently added a feature that monitors your IRS account for changes and sends you plain-English alerts when something actually important happens. It's been super helpful because it filters out all the noise from these new portal "improvements" and only notifies you about stuff that actually matters - like real notices, refund updates, or genuine status changes. After going through my own panic with these confusing new tabs last year, having something that can distinguish between interface updates and actual IRS actions has been a game-changer. The service integrates with your IRS online account and translates all their bureaucratic language into normal English. Might be worth checking out if you want to avoid this kind of anxiety in the future!

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Isaiah Cross

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That sounds really helpful! I'm definitely interested in anything that can help avoid this kind of confusion in the future. Do you know if TaxBandits works with all the major tax software like TurboTax and H&R Block, or do you need to switch how you file your taxes to use it? I'm pretty happy with TurboTax but would love to have better monitoring of my IRS account status. Also, is there a cost associated with the monitoring service?

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Just wanted to add some practical advice from someone who's been through this exact situation. You mentioned conflicting advice from tax preparers, which is unfortunately common with 1040NR filings since many preparers don't handle non-resident returns regularly. A few key points that might help: 1. **Business expenses**: If you're filing as self-employed (Schedule C), your unreimbursed business expenses related to your US income are fully deductible. This includes things like equipment, travel for work, office supplies, etc. 2. **Charitable contributions**: Only contributions to US-qualified organizations count on your 1040NR. Foreign charities don't qualify unless there's a specific treaty provision. 3. **Tax prep fees**: These are deductible as a miscellaneous itemized deduction, but only the portion related to preparing your US return. Given your 140 days in the US, definitely calculate your substantial presence test as others mentioned. If you end up qualifying as a resident alien, you'd file Form 1040 instead of 1040NR and would be eligible for the standard deduction and potentially more credits. The IRS Publication 519 (U.S. Tax Guide for Aliens) is your best friend here - it covers all the specific rules for non-residents and has examples that might match your situation.

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I had no idea about Publication 519 - I've been trying to piece together information from various IRS pages and getting more confused. One follow-up question about the substantial presence test calculation: when you count days, do partial days count as full days? I had several trips where I arrived late at night or left very early in the morning, so I'm not sure if those should count as full days or not. Also, do days spent in transit (like layovers in US airports while traveling to other countries) count toward the 140 days? I'm definitely going to look into that Form 8840 for the closer connection exception since I still maintain my primary residence, bank accounts, and family ties in my home country. The 140 days was really just for this one extended project.

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Great questions! For the substantial presence test, any part of a day that you're physically present in the US counts as a full day - so yes, even if you arrived late at night or left early in the morning, those count as full days. The IRS is pretty strict about this. Regarding transit/layovers, it depends on the specifics. If you're just passing through a US airport on the way to another country and don't formally enter the US (stay in the international transit area), those typically don't count. However, if you clear customs and immigration, even for a layover, that would count as a day of presence. The closer connection exception via Form 8840 sounds like it would definitely apply to your situation, especially since this was just a temporary extended project. You'll need to demonstrate ties to your home country like you mentioned - permanent home, family, banking, voter registration, driver's license, etc. The form asks for pretty detailed information about your connections to both countries. One tip: keep good records of your travel dates and the nature of your trips. The IRS may ask for documentation if they review your return, especially when claiming exceptions to residency rules.

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Amina Toure

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Based on your situation, it sounds like you're dealing with some complex interactions between non-resident filing rules and potential residency status changes. Here are a few additional considerations that might help: **Treaty Benefits**: Since you mentioned your home country has a tax treaty with the US, make sure you're claiming all applicable treaty benefits. Many people miss these because they're not prominently featured in standard tax software. Treaty benefits can sometimes provide additional deductions or exemptions that aren't available to non-residents from non-treaty countries. **State Tax Implications**: Don't forget about state taxes if you worked in a state that taxes non-residents. Some states have different rules for non-residents than others, and this could affect your overall tax burden significantly. **Professional Consultation**: Given the complexity of your situation (140 days presence, treaty country status, substantial income), it might be worth getting a consultation from a tax professional who specifically deals with non-resident aliens and international tax situations. The cost could be worth it to ensure you're not missing deductions or making filing status errors. **Record Keeping**: For future years, keep detailed records of your US presence days, especially if you might have similar extended projects. This will make the substantial presence test calculation much easier and help with any closer connection exception claims. The good news is that once you figure out the rules for your specific situation, subsequent years should be much more straightforward if your circumstances remain similar.

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StarSurfer

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! The point about state taxes is something I hadn't even considered yet - I was working in California for most of those 140 days, and I know they have pretty aggressive tax collection. I'm definitely leaning toward getting a professional consultation at this point. Between the potential residency status change, treaty benefits I might be missing, and now state tax implications, this is getting more complex than I initially thought. Do you happen to know if there are any specific credentials or certifications I should look for when finding a tax professional who specializes in non-resident situations? I want to make sure I find someone who really knows this area rather than just someone who says they do. The record keeping advice is spot on too - I've been pretty casual about tracking my travel dates, but I can see how important that's going to be going forward, especially if I have more extended projects like this one.

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AstroAce

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now and this entire thread has been incredibly helpful in understanding what's actually reasonable versus what companies try to get away with. What really resonates with me is how many people have pointed out that contractor rates typically already include a 25-40% premium to cover benefits, taxes, and business overhead that contractors have to handle themselves. When I think about my own situation, I was definitely charging more as a 1099 specifically because I had to cover health insurance, handle self-employment taxes, and deal with income uncertainty. So the real math should be: contractor rate minus that built-in premium, minus the employer's actual new costs (which everyone seems to agree is 15-25% max). That should result in roughly equivalent take-home pay, not a massive reduction. The fact that so many companies are using reclassification as cover for dramatic cost-cutting is really disturbing. It feels like they're exploiting regulatory compliance to justify wage theft, then gaslighting employees into thinking they should be "grateful for the stability" of W2 employment while gutting their compensation. I'm definitely going to use the strategies mentioned here - documenting everything, requesting written cost breakdowns, organizing with coworkers, and potentially contacting the Department of Labor if they won't provide reasonable justification for their numbers. This thread has given me the confidence that pushing back on these excessive cuts isn't being unreasonable - it's defending fair compensation.

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You're absolutely right about the built-in premium that contractors typically charge! It's really eye-opening to see how many companies are essentially double-dipping by treating contractor rates as if they were equivalent to employee salaries, then making cuts on top of that. Your math breakdown makes perfect sense - if we were already charging 25-40% above equivalent W2 salaries to cover our own benefits and taxes, and their actual new costs are only 15-25%, then the conversion should result in minimal change to our take-home pay, not these dramatic reductions. The "grateful for stability" narrative while simultaneously cutting income by 40% is particularly insulting. Real employment stability comes with fair compensation and benefits, not just a different tax classification with worse pay and no additional protections. I'm also planning to document everything and request detailed written justifications for their cost claims. Based on what everyone has shared here, if they can't provide actual calculations that add up to their claimed expenses, that's strong evidence this is opportunistic cost-cutting rather than legitimate compliance costs. It's frustrating that we even have to fight for fair treatment during what should be a straightforward reclassification, but at least we now have the tools and knowledge to push back effectively. Good luck with your situation - sounds like you're approaching it with the right strategy!

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Ravi Sharma

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This whole situation is infuriating and unfortunately way too common. I'm seeing this exact scenario play out across multiple industries as companies face increased scrutiny over worker classification. Your company's 40% pay cut is absolutely unreasonable and likely violates wage and hour laws. Here's what the actual math should look like: **Real employer costs for W2 conversion:** - Employer FICA: 7.65% - FUTA: 0.6% (only on first $7,000) - State unemployment: typically 2-6% - Workers comp: usually 1-3% depending on industry - Total: 15-20% maximum **What they're ignoring:** - You were already charging contractor rates that included a 25-40% premium for handling your own benefits/taxes - They're actually SAVING money by eliminating contractor markups - They gain significant value from increased control, IP protection, and reduced audit risk The fact that they're offering zero benefits while making these cuts is a massive red flag. Legitimate conversions typically maintain similar total compensation through salary + benefits packages. My advice: Get your coworkers organized immediately, request written documentation of their cost calculations, and don't accept vague explanations about "operational complexity." If they can't justify their numbers with actual employer tax obligations, contact your state Department of Labor about wage violations. Companies are using regulatory compliance as cover for wage theft, and the only way to stop it is by calling them out with facts and collective action. Don't let them gaslight you into thinking this is normal - it absolutely is not.

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