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This happened to me last year! My accountant suddenly wanted copies of all kinds of documents she never needed before. Turns out she'd had a data breach and was trying to re-verify everyone's info, but didn't want to admit to the breach. I only found out when the IRS contacted me about suspicious filing activity. Definitely question why they need it now!
Just a suggestion - if you're concerned but like your accountant otherwise, maybe suggest an alternative? Ask if you can come to their office and show the cards in person instead of providing copies. A legitimate accountant shouldn't have a problem with this option.
The real IRS never threatens arrests or demands immediate payment over the phone. They always send multiple written notices first. If you want to be extra safe, here's what I did when I got similar calls: 1. Didn't respond to the callback number 2. Independently looked up the IRS customer service number 3. Called and verified I had no issues (after waiting on hold forever) 4. Added my number to the Do Not Call registry (doesn't stop all scammers but helps) 5. Blocked the scam numbers on my phone The worst part is these scammers specifically target elderly people and immigrants who might be more fearful of government authorities.
Do you remember what the official IRS number is? I got one of these calls yesterday and now I'm paranoid even though I'm 99% sure it's a scam.
The general IRS customer service number is 800-829-1040. When you call, be prepared for a long wait time, and have your tax return handy as they'll ask verification questions to confirm your identity. I recommend calling early in the morning right when they open or later in the evening before they close as those tend to have shorter wait times. You can also try calling mid-week as Mondays and Fridays are typically their busiest days.
Has anyone actually fallen for these scams? My grandmother almost sent them $4,000 in gift cards because they said she'd be arrested if she didn't pay immediately. The scary part was they had her actual name and the last 4 digits of her SSN (probably from some data breach). They kept her on the phone for hours so she couldn't call anyone else to verify.
Yes, these scams are successful enough that they keep doing them. My coworker's father lost $12,000 to an IRS scammer last year. They told him he had outstanding tax bills and would be arrested at work the next day if he didn't pay. They kept him on the phone for 5 hours while he went to different stores buying gift cards. He was too embarrassed to tell anyone until weeks later.
The other thing nobody's mentioned yet is that LLC and corporation status also gives you liability protection. If your business gets sued, they can't come after your personal assets (in most cases). So there are non-tax benefits too. But yeah, the tax situation is tricky. My accountant actually advised AGAINST S-Corp election for my LLC this year because I'm only projecting about $65k in profit, and the payroll costs and extra tax filings would eat up any SE tax savings. She said once I hit about $80k consistently, we'll make the switch.
Is the liability protection really that valuable though? I've heard you need good insurance anyway since people can still try to pierce the corporate veil if you don't keep business and personal completely separate?
The liability protection is valuable but not perfect. You're right that you still need good insurance, and yes, "piercing the corporate veil" is a real concern. If you don't maintain separate business bank accounts, mix personal and business expenses, or don't follow corporate formalities, the courts can potentially hold you personally liable. LLC protection works best for legitimate business debts and certain types of lawsuits. It's one layer of protection that works alongside proper insurance. So it's not an either/or situation - smart business owners have both the legal structure AND insurance coverage.
I think everyone's missing a key point here. The tax savings of an S-Corp setup mostly come from avoiding self-employment tax (15.3%) on a portion of your income. But remember Biden signed that bill that increased Medicare tax for higher incomes to fund some of those IRA climate thingys. So make sure your calculations are using the current tax rates not old advice from a few years ago!
If you're hiring from India specifically, make sure you understand their local labor laws too. My brother runs a software company and hired developers in India thinking it would be simpler, but there were unexpected complications with India's PF (Provident Fund) requirements and GST (their sales tax). Depending on how you structure it, you might need to register a business entity in India too. Sometimes it's easier to work with an EOR (Employer of Record) service that handles all the local compliance stuff for you.
What's an EOR service? Is that like a PEO? And do you have any recommendations for ones that work well with very small businesses? I'm only looking to hire one person to start.
An EOR (Employer of Record) is similar to a PEO but specifically designed for international hiring. They essentially become the legal employer in the foreign country while you maintain day-to-day management. For small businesses hiring just one or two people, services like Deel, Remote.com, or Ontop tend to be more cost-effective than traditional global PEOs which usually cater to larger companies. They handle everything from compliant contracts to local tax withholding and benefits requirements. The fees usually range from 5-8% of the employee's salary, which might seem high but is typically cheaper than setting up your own foreign entity. For just one employee in India, this approach could save you significant headaches with compliance.
Has anyone actually looked into the tax treaty between US and India for this situation? The issue might be simpler than it seems. Also wondering if an LLC is the best structure if international hiring is your main focus? Maybe an S-Corp would be better for tax purposes?
The US-India tax treaty definitely applies here. Article 15 covers dependent personal services (employment), while Article 14 covers independent personal services (contractors). Generally, if your Indian worker never comes to the US to perform services, their income is only taxable in India. As for LLC vs S-Corp, it really depends on your overall business situation. An LLC with S-Corp election could give you some employment tax advantages if you're also taking a salary, but for purely hiring overseas workers, the structure is less important than properly documenting the relationship. What matters more is whether you classify them correctly as employees vs contractors, and whether you follow the reporting requirements for foreign persons.
Miguel Castro
I think most people don't realize that the TurboTax desktop version and online version have different features and pricing structures. I've used both over the years. The Chase offer (and most bank/credit card offers) typically applies to the online version because TurboTax has partnership integrations that make it easier to track and apply discounts. The desktop software is sold more through retail channels or direct downloads. If you specifically want the desktop version, look for retail discounts at places like Costco, Amazon, or Best Buy. They often have better deals on the physical software than you'll find directly through Intuit.
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Amara Adebayo
ā¢Thanks for the tip about retail options! Do you know if there's a significant difference in the features between the desktop and online versions? Is one better for more complicated tax situations like self-employment or investments?
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Miguel Castro
ā¢The desktop version tends to be better for more complicated tax situations. If you're self-employed or have significant investments, I'd recommend the desktop version. It gives you more control and offers more advanced features for complex scenarios. The desktop version also allows you to file multiple returns (up to 5) without additional cost, which is great if you're doing taxes for family members. The online version charges separately for each return. Desktop also makes it easier to access previous years' returns without additional fees, whereas the online version sometimes charges you to access older returns.
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Zainab Ibrahim
Has anyone successfully used the Chase offer for TurboTax this year? I'm seeing conflicting information. Some people say it's only for the online version, while others claim they got it to work for the download.
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Connor O'Neill
ā¢I successfully used it last week, but only for the online version. When I clicked through the Chase Ultimate Rewards portal, it automatically applied a $15 discount plus the advertised percentage off. I tried to find a way to apply it to the downloadable version but couldn't figure it out. The Chase customer service rep confirmed it's online only.
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Zainab Ibrahim
ā¢Thanks for confirming! I'll go with the online version then. Seems like that's the only way to get the discount.
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