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For anyone dealing with backdoor Roth issues in TurboTax, here's exactly what you need to do: 1. Enter your non-deductible traditional IRA contribution first 2. Make sure to specify it's NON-DEDUCTIBLE 3. Complete the Form 8606 section entirely 4. Only THEN enter your Roth conversion information 5. Verify the basis amount carries over to the conversion screen I do this every year and it works perfectly. If you do these steps out of order, TurboTax gets confused and can't track your basis correctly.

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Gavin King

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Do you know if this same process works in H&R Block's software? I'm having the same issue there and their support has been useless.

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I haven't personally used H&R Block's software recently, but the general principle is the same. You need to make sure you've entered your non-deductible contribution information and completed the equivalent of Form 8606 before you enter the conversion information. The specific navigation and screens will be different, but the sequence is what matters. Most tax software struggles with backdoor Roth conversions if you don't follow the correct order of operations. Try looking specifically for the Form 8606 section in H&R Block's software and complete that first before handling the conversion.

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Nathan Kim

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something nobody mentioned yet - if you have ANY other traditional IRA money with pre-tax dollars (like old 401k rollovers), the pro-rata rule is gonna mess up your backdoor roth!! the entire conversion isnt tax free even if this specific contribution was non-deductible. turbo tax should handle this if you enter all your ira balances correctly but a lot of ppl forget this part.

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This is such an important point! I got hit with an unexpected tax bill because of this last year. Had a small old IRA with about $12k in it that I forgot about, and it completely changed how my backdoor Roth was taxed.

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One thing nobody mentioned yet - if you can show reasonable cause for the late payment, you might get the penalties removed entirely. But "I don't have the money" usually doesn't count as reasonable cause. Better options would be: - Set up an IRS payment plan today for the full amount - Pay by credit card (their fee is usually less than the penalties) - Borrow from family for 24 hours Not having all the money today is a common problem, but the IRS has heard every excuse. The payment plan might be your best bet if you really can't pay the full amount.

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Amina Bah

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Thanks for mentioning the payment plan option! Do you know if setting up a payment plan today (even if I plan to pay it off tomorrow) would help me avoid the penalties completely? Or would I still get hit with the 0.5% for the unpaid portion?

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Setting up an installment agreement (payment plan) doesn't eliminate penalties completely, but it reduces the late payment penalty from 0.5% to 0.25% per month. You'd still owe interest on the unpaid balance too. If you're literally only going to be one day late, it might not be worth the hassle of setting up a formal payment plan, especially since there's a fee to establish one ($31 for online setup with automatic payments). For a one-day delay on $6k, you're looking at around $30 in penalties without a plan versus maybe $15 with a plan, but then you'd pay the $31 setup fee. The math doesn't work in your favor for such a short delay.

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Just as a data point - I paid about 3 days late last year (around $8,000 unpaid) and my total penalties and interest came to $42. They did charge the full month's penalty rate even though it was only 3 days late. I called and asked for abatement since I've never been late before, and they approved it immediately. Took like 5 minutes on the phone once I finally got through.

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Omar Hassan

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Was the abatement automatically applied or did you have to wait for them to send you something? I'm in a similar situation but hate waiting for mail from the IRS.

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For a tax paper that will really stand out, look at the intersection of tax law and another field you're interested in. I did mine on the taxation of digital assets in video games and NFTs and my professor loved the unique angle. Some other cross-disciplinary ideas: - Environmental taxation and climate incentives - Tax policy effects on wealth inequality - Healthcare taxation and the ACA - Tax implications of remote work across state lines - Taxation of emerging technologies - Illinois cannabis taxation and social equity programs Pick something you're genuinely curious about - makes the research way more enjoyable!

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I'm actually really into sports - are there any good tax topics related to sports that would work for a research paper?

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Absolutely! Sports and taxation have several fascinating intersections that would make for an excellent paper. You could explore the "jock tax" where athletes pay taxes in each state they play games in - this raises interesting questions about income sourcing and multi-state taxation. Another great angle would be the tax implications of NIL (name, image, likeness) deals for college athletes - this is relatively new territory with evolving tax guidance. You could also look at how major sports franchises use tax incentives for stadium construction, or the tax treatment of sports gambling following recent legalization in many states including Illinois. These topics combine sports interest with substantive tax policy questions.

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Don't overthink this assignment. I did mine on the SALT (State And Local Tax) deduction cap from the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act and how it specifically impacts high-tax states like Illinois. Got an A and didn't kill myself with something super complicated. Whatever topic you pick, make sure there are RECENT sources (last 2-3 years). My friend did an awesome paper on a topic where all the sources were from 2017 or earlier and got marked down for not having current perspectives.

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StarSurfer

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The SALT deduction cap topic sounds interesting. Did you find it had enough material for 20 pages? And did you focus more on the federal aspects or the Illinois impact?

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Does anyone know if the income limits for Roth IRA contributions are also changing for 2024? I'm right on the edge of the phase-out range and trying to plan ahead.

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Yes, those are increasing too! For single filers, the Roth IRA phase-out range will be $146,000-$161,000 (up from $138,000-$153,000). For married filing jointly, it'll be $230,000-$240,000 (up from $218,000-$228,000). Hope that helps with your planning!

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Dyllan Nantx

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Also worth noting that if you're over the income limits, you can still do a backdoor Roth conversion! I make above the limit and still managed to get money into my Roth last year this way. The basic strategy is contributing to a traditional IRA (which has no income limit for contributions, just for deductibility) and then converting to a Roth right after.

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I'm confused about something - if I have a workplace 401k and also want to contribute to an IRA, does the increase apply to both? Can I really put $23,000 in my 401k AND $7,000 in an IRA in the same year??

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Anna Xian

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Yes! The limits are separate. You can contribute up to the full amount to BOTH accounts in the same year. That's a total of $30,000 between the two accounts ($23,000 to 401k + $7,000 to IRA). This is one of the best ways to maximize retirement savings if you can afford it.

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Just be careful about IRA deductibility if you have a workplace plan. You can still contribute the full $7,000, but whether you can deduct traditional IRA contributions depends on your income level. Roth IRA contributions also have income limits as mentioned above.

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Another option you might consider is an Enrolled Agent (EA). They're tax specialists licensed by the IRS who often charge less than CPAs or attorneys but still have deep knowledge of tax code. I switched from a CPA to an EA three years ago for my S-Corp and have been really happy with the service and savings. EAs focus exclusively on taxes (unlike CPAs who may also do bookkeeping, auditing, etc.), and they have unlimited rights to represent taxpayers before the IRS. For a business your size without complex legal issues, an EA might be the perfect middle ground - more specialized tax knowledge than some CPAs but lower rates than attorneys.

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Mei Chen

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Can EAs handle more complicated S-Corp issues though? I've heard they're good for basic tax filing but might miss some of the more strategic planning opportunities. Have you found that to be true or not?

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My experience has been that good EAs are excellent at tax strategy, especially for S-Corps. Mine regularly saves me thousands through proactive planning. The key is finding someone with specific S-Corp experience - ask how many S-Corp clients they have and what industries they specialize in. What many people don't realize is that EAs often focus more narrowly on tax code than many CPAs who might divide their attention across multiple accounting services. My EA catches things my previous CPA missed specifically because taxes are her entire focus. She's particularly good at maximizing the QBI deduction and optimizing my salary-to-distribution ratio to minimize self-employment taxes while avoiding audit flags.

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The real question isn't CPA vs attorney vs EA - it's finding someone who specializes in your specific industry and business size. Tax professionals who focus on S-Corps in your particular field will know the industry-specific deductions and strategies that generalists miss. I'd recommend asking other business owners in your industry for referrals. I found my current tax team through my industry association, and they immediately identified several legitimate tax strategies my previous "small business" CPA had missed because he didn't understand the unique aspects of my industry.

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This is the best advice here. When I switched from a general small business CPA to one that specializes in construction companies (my industry), they found over $23,000 in deductions my previous accountant missed. Industry-specific knowledge is worth its weight in gold.

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This makes a ton of sense. I'm in the tech consulting space - do you think I should be looking for someone with specific experience there? Or is S-Corp specialization more important than industry knowledge?

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