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Some extra info on Form 4852 that might help - make sure you're being as accurate as possible with your estimates. If you have bank deposits that match your pay, use those dates and amounts. Also, don't forget to include any health insurance premiums or retirement contributions that might have been deducted pre-tax. If you don't have your final paystub, you can calculate rough tax withholding using online calculators - just search for "paycheck calculator" and you can estimate approximately what would have been withheld based on your gross pay.
Does this work for state taxes too? My employer didn't send state W-2 either and I'm not sure if I need a separate form for that.
For state taxes, the process varies by state, but most states will accept the federal Form 4852 as support for your state tax return as well. You generally don't need to file a separate substitute form for state purposes. When you file your state return (whether through TurboTax or another method), you'll typically just enter the same W-2 information that you used on your federal return, including the amounts you calculated for state withholding from your paystubs. Make sure to keep copies of any documentation you have (paystubs, bank deposits, etc.) that support your numbers in case the state tax authority has questions.
I noticed nobody mentioned that the IRS can help directly with this. If an employer doesn't provide a W-2 by January 31st, you should first call your employer. If that doesn't work (as in your case), you can contact the IRS at 800-829-1040. They'll need: - Your name, address, phone number, SSN - The employer's name, address, phone number - Dates of employment - Estimate of wages and income tax withheld (from paystubs) The IRS will contact the employer and may also send you a Form 4852 to file.
Yeah good luck getting through on that IRS number lol. I tried calling them 12 times about a similar issue and either got disconnected or was told the wait time was "greater than 2 hours
You're right about the challenges with IRS phone lines. That's why I usually recommend trying early morning (right when they open) on Wednesdays or Thursdays, which tends to have slightly shorter wait times based on my experience. If you're unable to get through by phone, another option is visiting a local IRS Taxpayer Assistance Center in person, but you'll need to schedule an appointment first. You can find your nearest location on the IRS website. In-person assistance can sometimes be more efficient for these types of issues, though it does require taking time out of your day to visit the office.
Just a heads up for anyone using tax software for the Child and Dependent Care Credit - make sure you're entering your expenses correctly. I had a similar issue and realized I was accidentally entering some expenses as "education expenses" rather than "childcare expenses" which caused the software to calculate things differently. Also, check if your state offers a separate childcare credit. In Massachusetts, we have an additional deduction that works differently from the federal credit, and my tax software wasn't prompting me for it until I specifically searched for it.
Do you know if before/after school programs count as childcare expenses? My kids are in elementary school but I pay for after-school care until I get off work. My tax software is giving me contradictory information about whether this qualifies.
Yes, before/after school programs definitely count as qualifying childcare expenses as long as they allow you to work or look for work. The IRS is pretty clear on this - any care provided for children under 13 that enables you to work or actively search for work qualifies. The key is that the primary purpose of the program must be childcare, not education. Most standard before/after school programs fall into this category. Summer day camps can also qualify, but overnight camps don't. Make sure you get the tax ID or SSN of the provider, as you'll need to include that on Form 2441.
I found a workaround for the TurboTax issue! If you go to "Review" mode, then select "View/Print Return" (sometimes you have to dig around for this option), you can actually see the completed Form 2441 before paying. In my case, I noticed TurboTax was splitting my childcare expenses across two different entries because I had entered two separate payment periods (spring and fall semesters). This was causing some weird rounding in the calculation. When I combined them into one entry, the credit calculated correctly at exactly $600.
Thank you! This worked for me too. When I went to the form view, I saw TurboTax had somehow entered part of my childcare expenses in the wrong field. It was counting some of my expenses as "dependent care benefits" from an employer (which I don't have). Once I zeroed out that field and put everything under the actual expenses, it calculated correctly to $600. Thanks everyone for the help! Saved me from either overpaying for the "expert" review or submitting an incorrect return.
Glad it worked for you! I've found that looking at the actual forms is always the best way to catch these errors. TurboTax and similar software try to make things "easy" by hiding the forms behind their interview questions, but sometimes that just creates confusion. For anyone else with this issue, another thing to check is that your care provider information is entered correctly. If the provider's tax ID is missing or formatted incorrectly, some tax software will reduce the credit amount without clearly explaining why.
One more thing about extensions that no one mentioned - they're super helpful if you contribute to an IRA! You can make IRA contributions for the previous tax year until April 15th, but if you file an extension, you still only have until April 15th for the IRA contribution. The extension only applies to the filing, not to things like IRA contribution deadlines. I messed this up last year thinking I had until October to make my IRA contribution for the previous year. Just don't want anyone else to make my mistake!
Wait, I'm confused. Are you saying the extension doesn't extend the IRA contribution deadline? Or that it does? Sorry, your wording was a bit unclear to me.
Sorry for the confusion! The extension does NOT extend the IRA contribution deadline. Even if you file an extension giving you until October to file your tax return, you still must make any IRA contributions for the previous tax year by April 15th (the original filing deadline). The filing extension only gives you more time to complete and submit your tax forms - it doesn't extend other tax deadlines like IRA contributions, estimated tax payments, etc. That's the mistake I made thinking I had until October for my IRA contribution.
Has anyone used TurboTax to file an extension? Is it free or do they charge for that too? Their pricing confuses me.
You can file a federal extension for free using Form 4868 directly on the IRS website. Don't pay TurboTax for something that's free! State extensions might be different depending on where you live though.
One important consideration that hasn't been mentioned yet - even if your Wyoming/Delaware LLC doesn't owe US federal income tax because you have no US clients or operations, you WILL most likely need to file: 1. Form 5472 (Information Return of a 25% Foreign-Owned US Corporation) 2. Form 1120 (even if it's a zero return) or potentially 8832 + Schedule C on your personal return depending on election Failing to file these, especially Form 5472, results in a $25,000 penalty PER FORM. I learned this the hard way. And the IRS is getting much stricter about foreign-owned LLCs because too many people were forming them without proper compliance.
Thank you for highlighting this! That $25,000 penalty sounds terrifying. Do you recommend using a registered agent service that specializes in foreign-owned LLCs? And did you find any particular state to be easier to deal with than others for the ongoing compliance?
Yes, absolutely use a registered agent that specializes in foreign-owned LLCs - they'll keep you compliant with state requirements and help ensure you don't miss filings. I personally found Wyoming to be slightly easier than Delaware for ongoing compliance as a foreign owner. Wyoming has simpler annual reports and lower fees. Most importantly, work with a US accountant who specifically handles international clients. Regular CPAs often don't understand the nuances of foreign-owned LLCs and may miss critical filings. I'd recommend setting aside at least $1,500-2,000 annually for proper tax compliance services - it's much cheaper than those penalties!
Has anyone considered using a pass-through structure with an offshore holding company instead? My team (all non-US residents) formed a BVI company that owns our Wyoming LLC. This way: 1. The LLC is treated as a disregarded entity 2. We file minimal US paperwork (still need Form 5472) 3. Banking is managed through the Wyoming entity 4. Tax obligations remain primarily in our home countries This creates an additional layer of separation while maintaining the benefits of a US business presence for payment processing.
Mikayla Brown
Your roommate should look into the Annual Filing Season Program which is voluntary but gives limited representation rights. Also, tell her to join a professional organization like the National Association of Tax Professionals (NATP) or the National Association of Enrolled Agents (NAEA) - the networking and continuing education is invaluable. I've been in tax prep for 7 years and these organizations have been essential for staying current with tax law changes.
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Maya Diaz
ā¢Thanks for the recommendation about those professional organizations. Are they expensive to join? And what exactly do you mean by "limited representation rights" with the Annual Filing Season Program?
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Mikayla Brown
ā¢The membership fees are pretty reasonable - usually between $150-250 per year depending on which organization you choose. Many offer discounts for new members or students. The benefits far outweigh the costs when you consider the resources, forums, and continuing education they provide. The Annual Filing Season Program gives you limited rights to represent clients whose returns you've prepared in case of an audit. Without this or an EA/CPA credential, you can prepare the return but can't speak to the IRS on behalf of your client if questions come up later. Having representation rights makes you much more valuable to clients since you can help them through the entire process.
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Sean Matthews
If your roommate is serious, she should also get professional liability insurance before taking on any clients! I know someone who started preparing taxes with minimal qualifications and made a mistake that cost their client thousands. The client sued, and without insurance, it was financially devastating. Even with all the proper certifications, mistakes happen.
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Ali Anderson
ā¢How much does tax preparer insurance typically cost? Is it worth it for someone just doing a few returns on the side?
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