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Everyone's talking about services but nobody mentioned the simplest solution - just select "Tax Due on Return" as your reason for payment. I've paid several CP notices this way and never had an issue. The system just needs to know what year and form, the specific notice type doesn't actually matter for payment processing.
Are you sure about this? I've read conflicting info online and don't want my payment to get misapplied. Would "Amount Owed on Notice" be more appropriate than "Tax Due on Return" since this is from a notice?
I've paid three different CP notices this way over the years and never had any issues. The key is making sure you enter the correct tax year and form number along with it. However, "Amount Owed on Notice" would also work fine. The most important thing is that you include your SSN, the correct tax year (2018), and the form number referenced on your notice. The payment system will attach the payment to your account regardless of which of these two options you select. The IRS cares more about identifying YOU correctly than the specific reason code you choose from their dropdown.
Has anyone had a CP503 sent to collections? I just got one for 2019 taxes and I'm worried about my credit score if I can't pay the full amount immediately.
The IRS generally doesn't report to credit bureaus directly, but tax liens used to show up on credit reports. However, since 2018, the three major credit bureaus no longer include tax liens on credit reports as part of their National Consumer Assistance Plan. That said, you should still address it ASAP. If you can't pay in full, set up a payment plan on the IRS website under "Pay" and then "Payment Plans." This shows good faith and stops most aggressive collection actions.
Another strategy to consider is passing the property to your heirs instead of selling it. When you die, the property gets a "step-up" in basis to the fair market value at your date of death, which effectively wipes out all the depreciation recapture tax! Obviously this only works if you don't need the money from selling during your lifetime, but it's a huge tax advantage that can save your heirs a fortune in taxes if they decide to sell.
Does this step-up in basis apply even if the property is held in an LLC? My tax guy told me it might not work the same way.
The step-up in basis generally applies regardless of whether the property is in an LLC or not, as long as it's what's called a "disregarded entity" or a pass-through LLC for tax purposes. If you have a single-member LLC or a multi-member LLC that files as a partnership, the step-up should still apply. Where your tax guy might be cautious is if you have an LLC that's elected to be taxed as a corporation. In that case, the rules get more complicated and the step-up might not apply in the same way. The ownership is of the corporate shares, not directly of the real estate.
I'm actually dealing with this exact issue right now! I've been taking depreciation on my rental for 8 years (about $9,800/year in deductions) and now I'm selling. My accountant just showed me that I'll owe about $22,000 in depreciation recapture taxes! I was in the 22% bracket all those years, so I saved about $17,200 in taxes while owning (22% of $78,400 total depreciation). But now I'm paying $22,000 back (25% of $78,400). So I'm actually LOSING $4,800 just from the tax rate difference! My accountant says the only reason it still worked out okay for me is that I invested those tax savings each year and they grew to more than make up the difference. But if I had just spent that money, I'd definitely be worse off!
Wait but didn't you also make money on the property appreciation itself? Seems like you're only looking at one piece of the puzzle.
I ran into this same issue and figured out a workaround in Quickbooks. You can actually set up the asset with a "Do Not Depreciate" setting in the asset account. Here's what I did: 1. Set up the vehicle as a fixed asset 2. When prompted about depreciation, select "Do Not Depreciate" 3. Add a note in the description field "For Bonus Depreciation in TurboTax" 4. Complete the asset setup This way, your books show the correct asset value, but Quickbooks won't create any depreciation entries that might conflict with TurboTax. When you import, TurboTax sees a clean asset ready for the bonus depreciation treatment.
But doesn't this mess up your book value in Quickbooks for future years? If you don't depreciate it at all in Quickbooks, won't your financial statements show an asset that should be fully depreciated?
That's a really good point about the book value. In January of the following year (2023), after you've filed your taxes, you should go back to Quickbooks and add a manual depreciation entry that matches what you took on your tax return. This way, your financial statements will reflect the proper book value going forward. Think of it as keeping two separate depreciation tracks - tax depreciation (handled in TurboTax) and book depreciation (which you'll update in Quickbooks after filing). The key is to not have any depreciation in Quickbooks during the import process to avoid duplication.
Don't forget that the rules for bonus depreciation are changing! For assets placed in service in 2022, you can still take 100% bonus depreciation, but for 2023 it drops to 80%, and continues to phase down by 20% each year after. If you have other asset purchases planned, you might want to accelerate them to maximize the depreciation benefit.
Is there any chance Congress extends the 100% bonus depreciation? I've heard rumors they might keep it at 100% to help small businesses, but haven't seen anything official.
There's always a possibility that Congress could extend the 100% bonus depreciation, but I wouldn't count on it. While there have been some discussions about extending certain business tax benefits, nothing concrete has been proposed regarding bonus depreciation specifically. The phased reduction (100% to 80% to 60%, etc.) was built into the original Tax Cuts and Jobs Act legislation with the specific intent of gradually reducing the benefit. For planning purposes, it's safer to assume the reduction will continue as scheduled unless you hear official news about an extension. If you have planned asset purchases and can move them up to qualify for the higher percentage, that's the more conservative approach.
Just wanted to mention another consideration - if you have a disabled child or one who isn't great with money management, a Special Needs Trust or Spendthrift Trust might be better options than direct inheritance or adding them to the deed. My brother has addiction issues, and our family attorney advised against putting him on any property deeds directly. We used a trust with specific distribution requirements and appointed a trustee (my other sibling) to manage it. This protected the assets from creditors and prevented my brother from selling the property for quick cash during vulnerable periods.
That's a really helpful perspective I hadn't considered. Our son is financially responsible, but this might be valuable info for friends in different situations. Does a Spendthrift Trust still avoid probate like a regular living trust?
Yes, a properly structured Spendthrift Trust still avoids probate just like a regular living trust would. The main difference is just the added protection and control over how and when distributions are made. Many people don't realize that these specialized trusts can be created for reasons other than disability - sometimes it's just about protecting someone from their own financial decisions or from predatory relationships. The important thing is that they offer the same probate-avoidance benefits while adding an extra layer of protection.
One thing to consider with the HELOC - even if it has a zero balance now, it's a useful financial tool to maintain. I added my daughter to my deed and we were able to keep the existing HELOC by having her sign an assumption agreement. Not all banks allow this, but mine did after we jumped through some hoops. The bank required her to qualify based on her credit and income, but they waived most of the closing costs since the HELOC was already established. Worth asking your bank if this is an option before assuming you'll need to close it.
Did adding your daughter trigger a property tax reassessment in your county? In our area, parent-child transfers get an exclusion from reassessment, but only if you file the right paperwork within a certain timeframe.
No reassessment in my case, but that's because I filed for the parent-child exclusion with our county assessor's office. You have to file Form BOE-58-AH (at least in our county) within 3 years of the transfer to claim the exclusion. If you miss that window, they can reassess the property to current market value, which would have increased my property taxes by about 400% given how long I've owned my home! Definitely check your local rules and don't miss any deadlines.
Lindsey Fry
I was in the exact same situation last year (self-employed, Head of Household, income below standard deduction). Just want to share a couple things that helped me. 1) File for the Earned Income Credit!! With one child and income around $10k, you could get back around $3,700 which would more than cover your self-employment taxes. 2) If you use your home for business AT ALL, claim the simplified home office deduction. It's $5 per square foot up to 300 sq ft, so potentially $1,500 of deductions with zero documentation needed. 3) Track ALL your business mileage. Even short trips add up with the 65.5 cents per mile deduction. Don't be ashamed of your income level. The tax system is actually designed to help people in your exact situation, especially with a dependent.
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Felicity Bud
ā¢Thank you for the encouraging words and practical tips! I do work from home so the home office deduction sounds perfect. For the mileage - does that include driving to meet clients or pick up supplies? I haven't been tracking that at all.
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Lindsey Fry
ā¢Yes! Mileage includes ANY driving for business purposes - client meetings, picking up supplies, going to the post office for business mail, driving to the bank to deposit business checks, etc. Basically anything except your regular commute (which you don't have if you work from home!). Start tracking immediately for 2024 - there are free apps like MileIQ that make it super easy. For 2023, you can reconstruct a reasonable estimate using your calendar, email confirmations, receipts from supply stores, etc. Just be realistic with your estimates in case of an audit.
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Saleem Vaziri
I'm seeing some confusion in these comments so I want to clarify: being under the standard deduction doesn't affect your filing STATUS, but it does affect your tax LIABILITY. With $10,500 in self-employment income, you: 1) Can still file as Head of Household 2) Likely won't owe INCOME tax (because under standard deduction) 3) WILL owe SELF-EMPLOYMENT tax (15.3% of 92.35% of your self-employment income) 4) Can still get REFUNDABLE credits like EITC and Child Tax Credit The self-employment tax would be about: $10,500 Ć 92.35% Ć 15.3% = $1,479 But your EITC with one child at that income level could be $3,000-3,500 So you'd likely get money BACK overall, not owe money!
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Kayla Morgan
ā¢Wait I'm confused about the math. If the standard deduction is like $20k for Head of Household, and she only made $10,500, how does she owe any taxes at all? Isn't the first $20k tax-free?
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