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My accountant told me the easiest solution is just to write "mortgage reimbursement" in the notes section of the payment app whenever you send money. That way there's a clear record of what the payment was for if questions ever come up. Also, some people in similar situations set up automatic transfers from their bank account to their partner's account instead of using payment apps, which avoids the whole 1099-K reporting situation entirely.
Thanks for the suggestion! Do you know if bank-to-bank transfers also fall under this $600 reporting threshold, or is that just for payment apps?
Bank-to-bank transfers don't fall under the same $600 reporting requirements that apply to payment apps. Those rules specifically target third-party payment networks like PayPal, Venmo, etc. Regular transfers between bank accounts aren't subject to 1099-K reporting regardless of the amount. This is why some people prefer setting up direct transfers for recurring payments like rent or mortgage sharing. It's more straightforward from a tax perspective since there's no confusion about whether it's a business or personal transaction.
Maybe a dumb question but has anyone tried just sending multiple smaller payments under $600 instead of one large one? Like if you owe $1200, sending two $600 payments?
That's called "structuring" and it's actually illegal if you're doing it specifically to avoid reporting requirements. Not worth the risk just to avoid something that isn't even taxable in the first place.
One tax benefit of holding companies nobody's mentioned yet is asset protection. I put my three rental properties into an LLC that's owned by my holding company. Now if a tenant sues for one property, they can't go after the other properties or my personal assets. The tax benefits were secondary for me - being able to deduct more management expenses was nice but the asset protection was the real win. Just make sure you're actually running it like a real company with separate accounts and proper documentation.
But don't you get hit with franchise taxes in most states when you set up those LLCs? I heard California charges $800 minimum per LLC, so with multiple properties that adds up fast. Are the tax benefits really worth those extra costs?
You're right about the franchise taxes - they definitely cut into the benefits. In California it's $800 per LLC which is painful, but I'm in Tennessee where the annual fee is much lower ($300). For me, the math still works out when I consider both the tax advantages and the asset protection. I'm able to legitimately deduct more business expenses through the holding company structure, including a portion of travel related to property management, home office expenses, and administrative costs that were harder to claim as an individual investor.
Has anyone looked into how the qualified business income deduction (Section 199A) works with holding companies? I've heard conflicting things - some say you lose the 20% deduction with certain holding company structures, others say you can actually maximize it. I'm currently making about $310k from my consulting business and I'm right at the phase-out threshold for the QBI deduction.
This is a great question about QBI and holding companies. The Section 199A deduction can be tricky with holding companies because certain structures might limit your ability to claim it. If your holding company is classified as a specified service trade or business (SSTB) and your income is above the threshold (which at $310k, yours is), you'll face limitations. However, a properly structured holding company might allow you to separate SSTB income from non-SSTB income, potentially preserving some of the QBI deduction.
Check with your employer if they can provide you with a letter stating that the move was necessary for your job. Sometimes even though you can't deduct the expenses directly with Form 3853 anymore, you might qualify for other deductions if the move directly relates to your business or employment activities. Also, keep all your receipts organized just in case the tax laws change again. There's been some talk about possibly bringing back some of these deductions in future tax years.
My employer actually did give me a letter saying the move was required for the position! Would that help with any other deductions you know about? And do you think there's any chance they'll bring back the moving expense deduction in time for this tax season?
The letter from your employer could potentially help if any of your expenses could be categorized as unreimbursed employee business expenses. Unfortunately, for most people, these aren't directly deductible either since 2018, but there are exceptions for certain qualified performing artists, fee-basis state or local government officials, and armed forces reservists. As for bringing back the moving expense deduction, it won't happen for this tax season. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act provisions that eliminated this deduction are in effect through 2025. Any changes would likely come after that, when Congress reviews the expiring provisions. So definitely keep your documentation, but don't expect to use Form 3853 as a non-military taxpayer for at least a few more years.
i had the same issue with form 3853 on turbotax last year!!! try using freetaxusa instead. not sayin theyll let u deduct it (cuz of the tax law change other ppl mentioned) but their interface explains things WAY better than turbotax does and doesnt try to upsell u every 5 mins. also fyi - if ur company required u to move for work and didnt reimburse u, they really should have. most companies will cover relo expenses cuz they know its not tax deductible anymore. might be worth asking ur HR dept if theres any relo assistance even after the fact!
I second the FreeTaxUSA recommendation! Been using them for years after getting fed up with TurboTax's constant upselling. Much clearer explanations about which forms you can and can't use. They won't be able to magically make Form 3853 available to non-military folks, but at least they'll explain WHY in plain English.
Did your friend happen to mention if their school was religiously affiliated? Some religious organizations allow you to structure tuition as a "donation" to the church with a scholarship back to your child. Then you deduct the donation. My sister does this with her kids' Catholic school. Not sure if it's totally legit though...
That donation approach sounds super sketchy and likely illegal if audited. The IRS specifically looks for these kinds of arrangements. If you make a donation with the understanding that your child receives a direct benefit (like reduced tuition), it's not a legitimate charitable donation for tax purposes.
Maybe they were talking about a dependent care FSA? If your kid is under 13, you can use a dependent care FSA to pay for before and after school programs (but not regular tuition) with pre-tax dollars. Up to $5,000 per year for married filing jointly. You mentioned this wasn't what they were referring to, but thought I'd throw it out there in case it helps someone else reading this.
StardustSeeker
Just wanted to add something important that nobody has mentioned yet. If you do file late and end up owing money, you might want to look into an IRS payment plan. They'll usually work with you, especially if you've been filing and paying on time since then. The online payment agreement on IRS.gov is pretty easy to set up. Also, definitely keep copies of EVERYTHING - your wage transcript, the Form 4852, any communications with the IRS, and your filed return. You might need to reference them later, especially if questions come up about that tax year.
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Sofia Martinez
ā¢Thanks for mentioning this! Do you know if setting up a payment plan affects your credit score? And is there a minimum amount I have to pay monthly or can I set it to whatever I can afford?
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StardustSeeker
ā¢Setting up an IRS payment plan generally doesn't directly affect your credit score - the IRS doesn't report to credit bureaus like a normal lender would. However, if you fail to pay and the IRS files a tax lien, that WILL hurt your credit. So the payment plan actually helps protect your credit by preventing more serious collection actions. For monthly payment amounts, it depends on how much you owe. For debts under $10,000, you can pretty much set your own monthly payment as long as you can pay off the full amount within 3 years. For larger amounts, the IRS may want financial information to determine what you can afford. They're surprisingly reasonable about this - they'd rather get paid slowly than not at all.
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Paolo Marino
I'm surprised nobody mentioned checking your Social Security earnings record! Go to ssa.gov and create an account if you don't have one. Your earnings history will show how much was reported to Social Security for each year, including 2017. It won't have tax withholding info, but at least you'll know the total wages that were reported for you that year. That can be super helpful when filling out Form 4852.
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Amina Bah
ā¢This is actually brilliant advice. I had a similar situation (though not as old) and the Social Security earnings record was spot on. Combined with the IRS transcript it gave me everything I needed!
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