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Has anyone actually had an IRS notice or audit where this specific issue came up? I'm wondering how the IRS computer matching system handles 1099-MISC Box 3 income that's reported on Form 8825 instead of appearing directly on Form 1065.
That's really helpful to know! Thanks for sharing your real experience. I'll make sure to have solid documentation ready in case we get a similar notice. Did you respond to the notice yourself or have your accountant handle it?
Our accountant drafted the response, but we had to provide all the backup documentation showing these were actually rental payments. The key was having the platform statements that clearly showed these were payments for specific rental properties. Our accountant said the IRS sees this issue frequently with vacation rental partnerships using platforms like Airbnb, VRBO, etc.
One thing nobody's mentioned - if your partnership uses the accrual method of accounting, make sure you're reporting the income in the correct tax year. 1099-MISC reports are based on when the payment is made (cash basis), but if you're on accrual, you need to report income when earned regardless of when the 1099 shows it was paid. This can cause even more confusion with matching. Our partnership had this exact issue where a December booking was paid in January, creating a mismatch between our accrual-based 8825 and the cash-based 1099-MISC reporting.
Omg that's a really good point I hadn't even considered! We are on accrual basis, and we definitely have December bookings that get paid out in January. Now I'm worried about potential mismatches. How did you handle this in your case?
We included a separate reconciliation schedule that showed: 1) income per 1099s received for the tax year, 2) plus accrued income from prior year paid in current year, 3) minus income accrued in current year but paid in next year, 4) equals income reported on tax return. Basically you want to show the math of how you get from your 1099 amounts to what's on your return. We also noted which specific properties had timing differences. It's a bit more work, but it creates a clear audit trail.
We moved from Onesource to Drake for our partnership returns last year and honestly it was a mixed bag. The price is WAY better, but we did lose some of the more sophisticated allocation features. For a large firm doing complex 1065 work, I'd probably look at GoSystem Tax RS if you want high-end features with better support. The transition was somewhat painful tho - expect at least a full tax season before your team is fully comfortable.
Did you have any data migration issues? We have 10+ years of client data in Onesource and I'm worried about losing historical information. Were you able to bring over basis info and carryforwards?
Data migration was our biggest headache. Most basics transferred okay, but partnership basis information had to be manually verified for every partner. We lost some of the historical allocation details and had to rebuild them. Carryforwards like capital losses and charitable contributions were particularly problematic - about 25% had errors we had to fix manually. If you do switch, I highly recommend running parallel systems for a year and comparing outputs before fully committing. Budget extra staff time for data verification during the transition.
Has anyone here used both Lacerte and ProSeries for 1065s? We're a smaller firm (but growing) trying to decide between the two. Currently using ProSeries but wondering if Lacerte is worth the higher price for partnership returns specifically?
I've used both extensively. For partnerships specifically, Lacerte is significantly better - especially for complex allocations and multi-tiered partnerships. The additional cost pays for itself in time savings and reduced errors. ProSeries struggles with more complex 1065s and the data entry flow isn't as intuitive.
One thing nobody's mentioned that you should consider - make sure you're documenting this transaction properly. My family did something similar and years later the IRS questioned whether it was a legitimate loan vs. a gift of the entire property amount. You should: 1. Have a properly drafted promissory note or deed contract 2. Set a fixed repayment schedule 3. Keep records of all payments 4. Make sure the loan is secured by the property 5. Have the document properly recorded where required by local law The fact that it's a legitimate transaction with regular payments will help establish that it's a true loan, despite the 0% interest rate.
This is really helpful advice. Should we get an attorney involved to draft the documents properly? Is there anything specific we should include in the promissory note to make it clear this is a legitimate loan transaction?
Yes, I would definitely recommend having an attorney draft or at least review your documents. The cost of legal help upfront is much less than dealing with IRS issues later. Make sure your promissory note includes all standard loan terms - principal amount, payment schedule, consequences for default, security interest in the property, etc. Even though there's no interest, everything else should look like a standard loan. Also include language acknowledging that both parties understand there may be imputed interest for tax purposes. Having your uncles keep a payment ledger showing receipt of your payments provides additional documentation of the loan's legitimacy.
Has anyone mentioned the possible income tax deduction for you? If this is investment property producing income, you might be able to deduct the imputed interest as an investment interest expense, even though you're not actually paying it. Might want to look into that angle too.
Don't feel bad! I've been in tax for 7 years and international issues still trip me up sometimes. What helped me was finding a mentor who specifically worked with expatriate tax issues. Have you tried asking if there's someone at your firm who would be willing to have brief pre-review sessions with you? Sometimes catching mistakes before formal submission can help you learn faster without the embarrassment of official review notes.
That's a good suggestion. There's a senior manager who seems approachable - maybe I could ask her if she'd be willing to do quick pre-reviews for me on the more complex returns. Did you find your mentor within your firm or through a professional organization?
I found my mentor within my firm initially, but I also connected with another experienced expatriate tax professional through our local CPA society's international tax committee. Professional organizations like that are goldmines for finding people who are willing to help. My in-firm mentor would spend 15 minutes with me before I submitted anything complex, which cut my review notes down dramatically. The external mentor was great for bigger-picture career advice. Don't underestimate how willing people are to help someone who shows genuine interest in improving!
Has anyone tried supplementing their knowledge with specialized training? I found that the general CPE courses don't really cover expatriate taxation in enough detail to be useful.
Teresa Boyd
I'm a bit late to this thread but wanted to add something important: make sure you're using specific identification method for your crypto, not FIFO, if you're doing a lot of trading. With specific ID, you can choose which units you're selling which can make a big difference in your tax situation.
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Abigail Patel
ā¢What's FIFO? And how do I know which method my exchange is using? I've been using Coinbase and just downloading their tax forms.
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Teresa Boyd
ā¢FIFO stands for "First In, First Out" - it means when you sell crypto, the system assumes you're selling your oldest purchases first. This can result in higher taxes if your earliest purchases were at lower prices. Coinbase provides the data, but they don't actually choose your accounting method for you - that's your choice when you file your taxes. Many tax software programs default to FIFO because it's simpler, but you can usually change to specific identification method which lets you choose which specific units you're selling (like choosing to sell the ones you bought at higher prices first to minimize gains).
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Lourdes Fox
Has anyone noticed that the exchanges don't always give accurate cost basis info? My 1099 from Coinbase showed completely different numbers than what I calculated myself.
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Bruno Simmons
ā¢Yes! Exchanges are terrible with this. My Binance report was missing transactions from coins I transferred in from other wallets. You really need to track everything yourself or use dedicated crypto tax software.
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