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So I was filling up my truck yesterday at the Chevron down the street and noticed they have two different prices - one for cash and one for credit card that was like 60 cents more per gallon! I ended up paying almost $12 more just because I used my credit card instead of cash. This got me thinking... aren't merchant processing fees tax deductible for businesses? If gas stations can write off these credit card fees as a business expense, why do they still pass the full cost onto us customers? They're basically getting reimbursed for these fees through tax deductions AND charging us extra. Seems like double dipping to me. I understand businesses need to make profit but it seems unfair they get to deduct these processing fees AND make customers pay extra. Is there something I'm missing about how merchant processing fees and tax deductions actually work? Are they really saving money on taxes while making us pay more?
I just put $9,500 into my traditional IRA for 2024 and now FreeTaxUSA is telling me that $0 of it is deductible. Ugh! My income last year was around $180K, which I think means I can still move this money to a Roth IRA somehow? But I'm confused about the terminology. Looking at my options, there's "recharacterization" and "conversion" from Traditional to Roth. Are these the same thing? Is one better than the other for my situation? I don't want to make another mistake and get hit with penalties or something. Has anyone done this before who can explain the difference? I just want to make the smartest move with this money since I can't get the deduction I was hoping for.
One thing nobody has mentioned yet - if you have ANY other Traditional IRA assets with pre-tax money in them (like from old 401k rollovers), the conversion option gets more complicated because of the pro-rata rule. The IRS won't let you just convert the non-deductible portion - you have to convert proportionally across all your Traditional IRA assets. Recharacterization avoids this issue completely since it's like the Traditional contribution never happened. So if you have other Traditional IRA assets, definitely go the recharacterization route while you still can!
Oh that's really good to know! I actually do have an old 401k that I rolled into a Traditional IRA last year. So if I did conversion instead of recharacterization, I'd have to convert some of that old 401k money too and pay taxes on it?
Yes, that's exactly the issue. With the pro-rata rule, you can't cherry-pick which dollars to convert. If you have $9,500 in non-deductible contributions and, say, $40,000 in pre-tax money from your old 401k rollover (all in Traditional IRAs), then any conversion would be proportionally taxable. If you converted $9,500, about 19% would be considered non-taxable (your non-deductible portion) and 81% would be taxable. The IRS looks at all your Traditional IRAs as one big bucket for this calculation. Recharacterization bypasses this completely since it's treated as if you never contributed to the Traditional IRA in the first place.
Anybody have experience with Fidelity handling these recharacterizations? Their website is confusing me. Do I need to call or can I do it online?
I did a recharacterization with Fidelity last year. Had to call - couldn't find any way to do it online. The phone rep was actually really helpful and processed it while I was on the call. Had to confirm I understood the tax implications but it was pretty straightforward once I got through to someone.
So I'm freaking out a bit after finding some old paperwork. When I bought my first house back in 2008 (or so I thought), I claimed that $7,500 First Time Homebuyers Credit on my 2008 taxes. This was the version that was basically a loan that had to be repaid over 15 years at $500 per year. I've dutifully been paying back the $500 each year on my tax returns, and I'm now 12 payments in with 3 more to go. But here's where I messed up... I was going through a box of old documents in my garage yesterday and found my closing paperwork. The closing date was actually January 2, 2009 - NOT December 30, 2008 like I had remembered! If I had claimed it correctly on my 2009 taxes instead, I would have qualified for the newer $8,000 version that DIDN'T require repayment at all. So basically I've been repaying a loan I shouldn't have had to take, and I missed out on an additional $500 in credit. Is there anything I can do about this now? Can I file some kind of amendment even though it's been so many years? I've already paid back $6,000 of the $7,500, so there's only $1,500 left. Is it even worth trying to fix at this point?
Hey just wanted to add - I was in a somewhat similar situation with the First Time Homebuyer Credit a few years back. The one thing I learned is that you should stop making those $500 payments ASAP if you have documentation proving your closing date was in 2009. The reason is that continuing to pay acknowledges the debt. Talk to a tax pro, but in my case, I was able to get the IRS to recognize that I had incorrectly categorized my purchase date and should have received the non-repayable credit. I didn't get back what I'd already paid, but I was relieved of future payment obligations. Make sure you keep ALL your closing documents safe - you'll need them if the IRS questions why you stopped making payments.
Did you have to file any special forms when you got them to stop requiring repayment? I'm worried if I just stop paying the $500 installments it'll trigger some kind of automatic collection process. Did they give you any pushback or was it fairly straightforward once you showed them the correct closing date?
I had to file a Form 843 (Claim for Refund and Request for Abatement) along with a detailed letter explaining the situation. I attached copies of my closing documents clearly showing the 2009 date, plus copies of my original tax returns where I made the mistake. The IRS did initially send some automated notices when I stopped making the payments. That's why it's important to be proactive rather than just stopping. They eventually processed my claim and sent a letter confirming I was no longer responsible for the remaining payments. It took about 5 months total from submission to resolution.
Just a quick tax tip that might help others - the First Time Homebuyer Credit had different versions depending on when you purchased: - April 9, 2008 - Dec 31, 2008: $7,500 credit that must be repaid over 15 years - Jan 1, 2009 - Nov 6, 2009: $8,000 credit with NO repayment required - Nov 7, 2009 - April 30, 2010: $8,000 credit for first-time buyers OR $6,500 for long-time residents So the OP definitely got caught in an unfortunate timing situation by accidentally claiming the 2008 credit when their purchase was actually in 2009. Just 3 days difference between a loan and a true credit!
I'm not looking to squeeze every tax dollar out here, just want to do things right without confusing the IRS or getting flagged for an audit. My confusion is about the Child Care Credit and whether our situation qualifies. The IRS examples don't really address our specific scenario - they mostly talk about full-time nannies and obvious childcare situations where it's clear what's "work related" vs "educational" expenses. Here's our situation: My husband and I both work full-time jobs. Our 5-year-old daughter attends a Montessori program instead of traditional kindergarten. The program runs year-round (even through summer months), and we pay extra for extended hours so we can drop her off early and pick her up at 6:00 pm after work. Making this more complicated: until December 2024, the Montessori wasn't officially accredited as a school and was classified as a daycare. They do give us a tax form, but there's no breakdown showing what portion is "regular school costs" versus "extended childcare costs" versus "summer program costs." I have no idea how to separate these costs without doing some weird math - like trying to subtract the extended day fee from the total tuition? What's the right approach here? I just want to claim what's legitimate without raising red flags. I'm worried that guessing or using "vibes-based accounting" will delay my refund or cause problems down the line.
Former tax preparer here - another approach if the school won't provide a breakdown: calculate the hourly rate for the whole program, then multiply by the hours that are clearly for childcare (before/after normal school hours and summer). For example: - If you pay $12,000/year for a program that's 8 hours/day (8am-4pm) for 50 weeks - That's 2,000 hours total = $6/hour - If you need extended care from 7am-8am and 4pm-6pm (3 extra hours daily), that's 750 extra hours per year - 750 hours ร $6/hour = $4,500 qualified childcare expense This is a reasonable method that should satisfy the IRS if questioned, since you're using a consistent methodology to separate educational vs childcare costs.
That's really helpful! I hadn't thought about breaking it down hourly like that. My daughter is there from 7:30am-5:30pm most days, with regular program hours being 9am-3pm, so that's 4 extra hours daily that are clearly for childcare purposes. Summer is about 8 weeks when she's there full-time. Does this sound like a reasonable approach?
That approach sounds perfect for your situation. With regular program hours of 9am-3pm and your daughter attending 7:30am-5:30pm, you've got 4 hours of extended care each day that clearly qualifies for the credit. For the summer period (8 weeks), you can count all hours as qualified childcare expenses since regular school wouldn't be in session. The IRS recognizes that summer programs serve a dual purpose of education and allowing parents to work, so the full cost during that period typically qualifies regardless of content.
I just want to add that you should definitely file Form 2441 with your taxes to claim the Child and Dependent Care Credit. The max eligible expenses are $3,000 for one child or $6,000 for two or more children, and the credit percentage depends on your income (ranging from 20-35%). Make sure the Montessori provides their tax ID number (EIN) since you'll need that on the form. Most reputable child care providers are used to providing this info for parents.
Hey everyone, My husband and I started a custom furniture business that really took off last year - we ended up making around $120,000 which was way more than we expected. Our tax guy recommended we form an S corporation to help with health insurance costs. We set up the S corp about 5 months ago with a 50-50 ownership split between us. It's just the two of us running the business, no other employees. Here's my situation: we haven't actually paid ourselves any salary from the business account since forming the S corp. We've just been using our personal savings to cover our living expenses. I know this probably isn't the right approach but we've been figuring things out as we go. I'm trying to figure out what to do about health insurance. Should we be looking at marketplace options? What's the best way to structure this with our S corp? Also, as a side note, I left my regular job about 7 weeks ago after a shoulder surgery and won't be returning. So that adds another wrinkle to our insurance situation. Anyone with S corp experience have suggestions while I wait to hear back from our accountant?
One thing nobody has mentioned yet - make sure you establish a health insurance plan reimbursement arrangement through your S corp in WRITING. My accountant said this was critical. We created a simple document that outlines how the S corp will reimburse health insurance premiums for employees (just my wife and me). Without this written plan, the IRS could potentially disallow your deductions during an audit. Also don't forget that the deduction for S corp health insurance is limited to your business income. If your S corp has a loss for the year, you can't deduct the premiums.
Do you have a template for that written plan? Or did you have your accountant create it? I'm trying to figure out if this is something we can do ourselves or if we need professional help with it.
I created it myself based on some research, then had my accountant review it. It doesn't need to be super complex - mine is about 2 pages. It basically states that the corporation will reimburse employees (including shareholder-employees) for health insurance premiums up to a certain amount annually. Key elements to include: effective date, eligible employees, what expenses are covered, maximum reimbursement amounts, how/when reimbursements will be processed, and documentation requirements (employees need to submit proof of premium payments). You should also state that it's intended to comply with relevant tax regulations.
Marketplace insurance might actually be a good option since you mentioned you left your job recently. You'd qualify for a Special Enrollment Period due to loss of coverage, so you don't have to wait for open enrollment. For our S corp, we found that getting individual marketplace plans and having the company reimburse us worked better than a group plan because we qualified for premium tax credits based on our salary (not including distributions). You do need to be careful about how you structure your salary vs distributions to maximize the benefits.
Malik Johnson
Something nobody's mentioned yet - gas stations are regulated differently than most businesses. In many states, there are specific laws about how gas prices are displayed and advertised. Some states actually require gas stations to show the lowest price (cash price) on their big signs. Also, gas stations often pay higher processing fees than other retailers because of the high dollar amounts and fraud potential. The card networks classify them as "high-risk merchants" which means higher rates.
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Isabella Santos
Do you know if there's any regulation about how much extra they can charge for credit? My local station is charging almost a dollar more per gallon for credit vs cash which seems WAY more than the actual processing fee would be.
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Malik Johnson
The regulations vary by state, but generally there's no strict limit on the price difference. However, in most states, they do need to clearly post both prices. Some states like California have regulations requiring that credit card surcharges can't exceed the actual cost to the merchant, but enforcement is spotty. The large difference you're seeing (nearly a dollar) is definitely more than just covering the processing fee. It's likely they're using the cash discount to encourage a payment method that has other benefits for them - faster settlement, no chargebacks, and possibly some unreported cash transactions. It's a way to improve their overall margins in a business with typically very thin profit margins.
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Ravi Sharma
Former gas station manager here. The credit/cash price difference isn't just about processing fees and tax deductions. There's more to it. 1) Cash payments are immediate. Credit card payments can take 2-3 days to process, which affects cash flow. 2) Cash transactions have no risk of chargebacks, which are a huge headache. 3) Cash transactions are faster at the pump, meaning more customers served. 4) Credit card companies charge higher rates for premium cards (those 2% cashback cards cost merchants more). Yes, the processing fees are tax deductible, but like someone else said, that only saves us about 21% of the actual fee. We're still paying the other 79%.
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Freya Larsen
Is it true that gas stations make almost no money on the actual gas and make all their profit on the convenience store stuff? I've heard that's why they try so hard to get people inside the store.
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