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One strategy you're missing - consider a Charitable Remainder Trust if the profit share is substantial. You can contribute appreciated assets to the trust, get an immediate partial tax deduction, then receive income from the trust for years while deferring capital gains. Eventually what's left goes to charity. Also look into opportunity zone investments for deferring and potentially reducing capital gains. The tax benefits have decreased from when they first started but might still be worth exploring depending on your timeline.
The charitable remainder trust is interesting but wouldn't work in my case since I don't own the asset - it's just a profit share agreement that pays out when the company sells. Could opportunity zone investments still work after I receive the payout? How quickly would I need to invest in one after getting the profit share payment?
You're right about the CRT - it only works for assets you currently own, not future payments you'll receive. Sorry I missed that detail. For opportunity zone investments, you generally have 180 days from realizing the capital gain to reinvest into a qualified opportunity fund. So you could potentially use this strategy after receiving your profit share payout. The deferral benefits aren't as strong as they were initially, but you can still defer the tax until 2026 and potentially reduce your taxable gain by 10% if you hold the investment long enough.
Have you considered using installment sales for your investments? If you buy assets now and sell them around when your profit share hits, you could potentially structure those sales as installment sales to spread the gains/losses over multiple tax years. This gives you more flexibility to match losses against your profit share gain. Also, don't overlook state tax implications. Depending on your state, you might want to consider establishing residency in a lower-tax or no-income-tax state before your profit share pays out. Obviously this is a major life decision but could save significant money if we're talking about a large payout.
Installment sales are complicated though right? I tried to do one last year and my tax software couldn't handle it - ended up needing to pay an accountant extra to file correctly.
I've been using a structure with a holding LLC (not C Corp) that owns several property LLCs for about 5 years now. Here's what I've learned: 1) Talk to a real estate tax specialist, not just a general CPA 2) The holding company approach simplifies banking and reporting a lot 3) C Corps rarely make sense for rental real estate due to double taxation and loss of preferential capital gains rates 4) Annual compliance costs increase with each entity, so factor that in 5) Some states have entity taxes or fees that make multiple LLCs expensive (looking at you, California) The biggest advantage I've found is simplified management while maintaining good liability segregation between properties.
Thanks for sharing your experience! So with your holding LLC structure, do you just file one partnership return for the holding LLC, or do you still need to file for each property LLC as well? I'm trying to understand the administrative burden.
With my structure, I only file one partnership return (Form 1065) for the holding LLC. The individual property LLCs are treated as "disregarded entities" for federal tax purposes since they're single-member LLCs owned by the holding LLC. This significantly reduces tax preparation costs and paperwork. You'll still need to maintain separate books for each property for good management practices, but the tax filing burden is much lighter. Note that state requirements vary - some states may require separate filings or have annual fees for each LLC regardless of tax status. In my case, the administrative simplification at the federal level has been a big advantage.
Has anyone considered the implications of qualified business income (QBI) deduction (Section 199A) with these different structures? I'm currently trying to make sure whatever entity structure I choose maximizes my potential QBI deduction for my rental properties.
That's a really important consideration. For real estate investors, the QBI deduction can offer up to a 20% deduction on qualified business income. With pass-through entities (LLCs taxed as partnerships, S Corps, or disregarded entities), you generally preserve your ability to claim this deduction. C Corps aren't eligible for the QBI deduction, which is another reason they're often not ideal for real estate holdings. Also, if your income is above certain thresholds, having your properties in the right structure becomes even more important to maximize QBI benefits.
Another approach to consider: instead of using 529 funds for ALL your qualified expenses, you could pay some expenses out of pocket or with student loans, then use those expenses to claim education credits. For my daughter's education, we calculated the optimal mix: we used 529 funds for room and board (which qualify for tax-free 529 distributions but not for education credits), and then paid tuition with other funds so we could claim the AOTC. You need to carefully coordinate this since timing matters - the education expenses have to be paid in the same tax year you're claiming the credit.
Thanks for that strategy idea! How do you determine what the right split is between using 529 funds versus other money? Do you need to keep really detailed records to show which expenses were paid from which source?
The ideal split depends on maximizing your education credits. For the American Opportunity Credit, you need $4,000 in qualified expenses to get the full $2,500 credit. So I typically recommend paying at least $4,000 of tuition/fees from non-529 sources, then using 529 funds for remaining tuition and all room/board expenses. Yes, good record-keeping is essential! Keep copies of all tuition statements, receipts for books/supplies, and documentation showing which payment method was used for each expense. I create a simple spreadsheet each semester showing expense type, amount, date paid, and payment source. This has been extremely helpful during tax season and would be crucial documentation if ever audited.
My tax preparer actually advised AGAINST this strategy last year, telling me the IRS might flag it as suspicious. But after doing more research and talking with other tax professionals, I realized he was wrong. The key is proper documentation. I made sure to keep: - The 1098-T from my university - My 529 distribution statements - A written explanation of my election to treat part of the distribution as taxable - Calculations showing how much of the distribution was being treated as taxable I ended up saving over $1,800 by making $4,000 of my qualified expenses taxable so I could claim the AOTC. Remember that the AOTC is partially refundable (up to $1,000), which means you can get money back even if you don't owe any tax!
Here's exactly how to fix this in most tax software: 1. Find the section for capital gains / Schedule D 2. Look for Form 8949 adjustments or "adjust basis" 3. For the shares sold, enter adjustment code "B" 4. Calculate your adjustment amount: (FMV at exercise - original option price) Ć number of shares sold 5. Make sure the new adjusted basis matches FMV at exercise Ć shares sold This brings your cost basis up to the FMV at exercise, which is what you already paid ordinary income tax on (reported on your W-2). Without this adjustment, you're paying tax twice on the same income.
Thank you for these clear steps! Quick question - if my shares were sold at slightly different prices throughout the day (not all exactly at the FMV at exercise), does that change how I should calculate the adjustment?
No problem! If your shares were sold at slightly different prices throughout the day, that doesn't change how you calculate the basis adjustment. The adjustment is still (FMV at exercise - original option price) Ć number of shares sold. The selling prices will determine if you have any additional short-term capital gain or loss after the adjustment. For example, if FMV at exercise was $106.63, but some shares sold for $106.80 and others for $106.40, you'd have a small gain on some and small loss on others. But the basis adjustment calculation is the same regardless of the actual sale prices.
I have a slightly different situation - I exercised my NQSOs last year but held onto the shares instead of selling. Will I still need to make adjustments to my cost basis when I eventually sell? My broker is showing the original grant price as my basis.
Yes, you'll absolutely need to make the same type of adjustment when you eventually sell. The key is that when you exercised the options, you already paid ordinary income tax on the spread between your grant price and the FMV on exercise date. That spread was included in your W-2 income for the year you exercised. Your new cost basis becomes the FMV on the date you exercised, not the original grant price. When your broker issues a 1099-B after you sell, they'll likely show the original grant price as your basis, so you'll need to make that same Form 8949 adjustment to avoid being taxed twice on the same income. Keep good records of your exercise date and the FMV on that date!
Zoe Dimitriou
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet - if your client is REALLY struggling financially, you might want to look into Currently Not Collectible (CNC) status before trying an OIC. If they genuinely can't afford to pay anything, the IRS might put their account into CNC status temporarily, which pauses collection activities. Interest and penalties still accrue, but it gives them breathing room to improve their financial situation. Then they could move to a payment plan or OIC later when they're more stable.
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Luca Greco
ā¢I've heard about CNC status but wasn't sure if it would apply in this case. Would the IRS consider CNC even if my client has consistent income? Their issue is more that the total amount is overwhelming rather than having no income at all.
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Zoe Dimitriou
ā¢CNC status is based on ability to pay after necessary living expenses, not just on having income. If your client's income is being consumed by reasonable living expenses with nothing left over, they could still qualify. The IRS uses their Collection Financial Standards to determine what counts as necessary expenses. Have your client document all their actual expenses - housing, utilities, food, healthcare, transportation, etc. If these legitimate expenses leave little to nothing for tax payments, they have a case for CNC status even with steady income. The IRS would rather put someone in CNC temporarily than force them into a payment plan they can't maintain.
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QuantumQuest
Has anyone mentioned the 10-year statute of limitations? The IRS generally has 10 years from the date of assessment to collect taxes. So if your client is truly in dire financial straits and qualifies for Currently Not Collectible status as another commenter mentioned, some of that debt might eventually "age out" if they remain in hardship for years. Obviously this isn't a primary strategy to recommend, but it's something to be aware of when looking at the total picture.
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Jamal Anderson
ā¢Be careful with this advice! The 10-year clock doesn't start until the tax is assessed, which can't happen until the return is filed. For unfiled returns, the clock hasn't even started ticking yet. Plus, certain actions can extend that 10-year period, like requesting an installment agreement or filing bankruptcy.
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