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Remember that if you have ANY other traditional IRA money (like old 401k rollovers), the backdoor Roth gets much more complicated because of the pro-rata rule. The IRS doesn't let you just convert the non-deductible contribution - you have to convert proportionally from all your IRA balances. For example, if you have $50,000 in traditional IRA money from an old 401k rollover, and then you add $6,200 non-deductible for your backdoor, you can't just convert the $6,200. The conversion would be considered to come proportionally from both sources, so most of it would be taxable. Many people overlook this and get hit with unexpected taxes. One workaround is to roll any existing traditional IRA funds into your current employer's 401k (if they allow it) before doing the backdoor.
Thanks for mentioning this! I should have included this detail in my original post - I don't have any other traditional IRA accounts, so thankfully the pro-rata rule won't be an issue for me. It's just this one contribution that I need to handle correctly. But that's a really important point for others considering the backdoor Roth method. The pro-rata rule can definitely complicate things if you have existing IRA balances.
Glad to hear you don't have other IRA balances! That makes your situation much simpler. Just proceed with the conversion now, and be sure to file Form 8606 for both tax years as others have mentioned. Since this is your only IRA, you'll only pay tax on the earnings portion ($380). Make sure to keep good records of this conversion for future reference, as you'll need to track your basis if you do more backdoor Roth conversions in the future.
Just to add one more thing about Form 8606 - make sure you don't miss filing it for BOTH years. I forgot to file it the year I made my non-deductible contribution (only filed it the year I did the conversion) and it caused a huge headache. The IRS sent me a letter questioning the conversion, and I had to provide extra documentation proving the original contribution was non-deductible. Save yourself the trouble and make sure you file Form 8606 for 2023 (reporting the non-deductible contribution) and then again for 2024 (reporting the conversion).
11 Just want to add something important - make sure your company has an "accountable plan" for these reimbursements. Otherwise, technically those reimbursements could be considered taxable income! Most companies do have proper plans, but smaller businesses sometimes don't have formal policies. Might be worth checking with your HR or accounting department.
5 What exactly makes a reimbursement plan "accountable"? My company is pretty small and informal about expense reimbursements.
11 An accountable plan needs to meet three IRS requirements: 1) Expenses must have a business connection, 2) You must adequately account for these expenses to your employer within a reasonable period of time, and 3) You must return any excess reimbursement within a reasonable period of time. In practical terms, this means you need to submit documentation (receipts, etc.), the expenses need to be legitimate business expenses, and if you get paid more than you spent, you return the difference. Without these elements, reimbursements could be considered taxable wages. Small companies sometimes miss this formality, but it's important from a tax perspective.
18 Random but related tip - if you're fronting expenses and getting reimbursed later, use a good rewards credit card! I put about $9k of company expenses on my card last year and earned enough points for a round-trip flight. Company gets their supplies, I get reimbursed fully, AND I get travel rewards. Triple win!
1 That's exactly what I've been doing! I get about 2% back on everything so that's like $80-100 free money every month. Almost makes it worth the hassle of fronting the cash. Do you have any issues with your credit score though? Sometimes my utilization gets pretty high before the reimbursement comes through.
18 Great question about the credit score impact. I definitely saw my utilization rate spike at times, which temporarily lowered my score by about 15-20 points some months. But as soon as the reimbursement came through and I paid off the card, my score bounced right back up. If you're applying for a mortgage or other major loan, you might want to be careful about timing and pay the card off before the statement closes. Otherwise, it's usually just a temporary dip that corrects itself after reimbursement.
Another thing to consider - the year someone dies, the surviving spouse can still file jointly for that year. The tax benefit of married filing jointly is usually better than filing as single. After that, the surviving spouse might qualify for qualifying widow(er) status for 2 years if they have a dependent child. Lots of people don't know about this filing status option!
I didn't know about the qualifying widow(er) status! That's really helpful information. In this case though, they didn't have dependent children living with them. It sounds like for the 2020 return, they should file jointly without the deceased designation, then for 2021 file jointly with deceased designation, and then for 2022 she would have to file as single. Is that right?
Yes, you've got it exactly right! For 2020, file jointly with no deceased designation since he was alive all year. For 2021, file jointly with deceased designation since that's the year he passed away. Then for 2022 forward, she'll file as single (or head of household if she has qualifying dependents, but it sounds like she doesn't). One thing to note - when filing that 2021 return with deceased status, make sure to write "DECEASED" and the date of death across the top of the return to ensure proper processing. Some tax software handles this automatically, but it's good to double-check.
The preparer probably confused the filing status with the need to indicate the taxpayer was deceased. This happens a lot with less experienced preparers. For 2020, file normal joint return. For 2021, file joint return but with deceased status. If she itemizes deductions, don't forget medical expenses for her deceased spouse can be claimed on the final return.
Your CPA is doing you a solid! As someone also self-employed in their 50s, I'd suggest looking beyond just the Traditional IRA. Look into a SEP IRA or Solo 401k which have MUCH higher contribution limits. For reference: - Traditional IRA: $8,500 max ($7,500 + $1,000 catch-up) - SEP IRA: Up to $69,000 depending on income - Solo 401k: Up to $74,500 combined If you're trying to catch up on retirement savings, the higher contribution limits could be a game changer. Plus the tax deduction is sweet. I personally went with a Solo 401k and it's been awesome for tax savings.
Those contribution limits are way higher than I realized! Is it difficult to set up a Solo 401k? I've heard they have more paperwork and requirements than IRAs.
Setting up a Solo 401k is slightly more involved than an IRA, but not as complicated as many people fear. I set mine up with Fidelity in about 30 minutes online plus maybe 15 minutes on the phone. The main additional requirement is filing Form 5500-EZ once your balance exceeds $250,000. The biggest consideration is timing - for 2024 tax deductions, a Solo 401k needed to be established by December 31, 2024 (though you can still contribute until your tax filing deadline). SEP IRAs can be established and funded up until your tax filing deadline including extensions. So if you're looking to reduce 2024 taxes now in 2025, a SEP IRA is probably your best bet since the Solo 401k deadline has passed.
Has anyone here set up a retirement account and then regretted the type they chose? Im in a similar situation and worried about making the wrong choice.
Javier Torres
I'm a payroll specialist and can confirm there's no "window" for W-2 corrections. Your employer is either misinformed or being lazy. We issue W-2c forms year-round whenever errors are discovered. For incorrect Box 12 codes specifically, if the amount is small ($65 isn't much), you might consider just filing your taxes normally but don't claim any HSA contributions or deductions. Include a brief statement explaining the employer error if you're concerned. But really, they should just fix it. It takes like 15 minutes to prepare a W-2c. If your direct payroll contact won't help, try escalating to their manager or your HR department.
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Yara Nassar
ā¢Thank you for the insider perspective! Our company is pretty small (only about 25 employees) so I'm dealing directly with the owner's wife who handles all the payroll stuff. She seemed annoyed when I brought it up, which is probably why she claimed there was a "window" that closed. Do you know if there are any potential consequences for me if I just file without mentioning the HSA contributions since I don't actually have an HSA?
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Javier Torres
ā¢The main concern would be that the IRS's systems might flag a mismatch between what your employer reported and what you're reporting. However, for a small amount like $65, it's unlikely to trigger any serious issues. If you file without claiming any HSA (which is correct since you don't have one), you're being honest about your actual tax situation. If the IRS does question it, simply explain that your employer made an error and refused to correct it despite your requests. The fact that you've tried to get it fixed works in your favor.
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Emma Davis
Has anyone had experience with tax software handling this type of situation? I'm using TurboTax and wondering if there's a way to indicate that the W code amount is incorrect when entering my W-2 info.
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Malik Johnson
ā¢Most tax software including TurboTax has a section for HSA contributions. Just don't enter anything in that section even though your W-2 shows the code W amount. If the software asks about it specifically, there's usually an option to indicate it's incorrect or doesn't apply to you.
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