Negative income on Schedule E but $10,000 increase in taxes? How is this even possible?
My father-in-law is absolutely furious with me right now. I helped put together a Schedule E for his rental properties that showed a loss, and he's claiming his taxes shot up by $10,000 after his accountant included it. He makes good money (like 7 figures good) if that matters. The Schedule E I prepared showed -$7,945 on line 26 after accounting for depreciation and everything else. Total rental income was about $78,500. Total expenses hit around $94,300 on line 20 (one property needed nearly $25,000 in repairs/maintenance which really hurt us). Can someone please explain how giving him a form that shows NEGATIVE income could possibly increase his taxes by that much? I'm so confused and he's blaming me for this massive tax bill increase. His accountant hasn't given a clear explanation yet, but I need some kind of sanity check. Does this make any sense to anyone??
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Vera Visnjic
This actually makes perfect sense, though it might not be what you want to hear. High-income taxpayers face passive activity loss limitations. Since your father-in-law is what the IRS considers a "high-income earner," his ability to deduct rental losses is severely restricted. For taxpayers with modified adjusted gross incomes over $150,000, passive rental losses begin to phase out. Once income exceeds $150,000, you lose $0.50 of allowable passive loss for every dollar of income above that threshold. By $175,000, the $25,000 passive loss allowance is completely gone. The surprise increase likely happened because his accountant previously wasn't reporting the rental activity correctly. When you provided proper documentation with the Schedule E, the accountant had to correctly apply the passive loss limitations, which meant those losses couldn't offset his other income.
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Mason Lopez
•Wait, so you're saying that because he makes too much money, he doesn't get to claim the losses from the properties? But why would adding the Schedule E INCREASE his taxes if the losses just aren't being counted? Shouldn't it at worst have no effect? Also, is there any way around this? These are legitimate expenses we had to pay, especially that big repair bill. It seems really unfair if he can't deduct actual costs just because he makes good money elsewhere.
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Vera Visnjic
•The tax increase likely came from the rental income being reported ($78,500) while most of the expenses couldn't be deducted due to passive activity limitations. So he's essentially being taxed on the rental income without the benefit of deducting all the expenses against that income. Only the expenses up to the amount of income would be allowed, with the excess losses suspended until future years or until he sells the properties. There are two primary ways around these limitations. First, if your father-in-law qualifies as a real estate professional by spending 750+ hours annually in real estate activities and more time on real estate than any other occupation, the passive loss limitations wouldn't apply. Second, he could potentially benefit from cost segregation and bonus depreciation strategies that might provide larger upfront deductions.
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Jake Sinclair
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Honorah King
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Ayla Kumar
I'm a landlord who got hit with this exact same issue. The key is understanding the difference between non-passive and passive income. Your father-in-law's salary/business income is non-passive, while rental income is considered passive (unless he qualifies as a real estate professional). The tax code only allows you to offset passive losses against passive income unless you meet specific exceptions. For high earners (over $150k), those exceptions get phased out completely. Here's the really frustrating part - the losses don't disappear forever. They get suspended and carried forward until either: 1) He has passive income to offset them against, or 2) He sells the property. So he's still getting dinged with higher taxes now even though these are legitimate expenses.
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Lorenzo McCormick
•So what's the point of even owning rental properties if you're a high earner? Sounds like the tax benefits are completely eliminated.
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Ayla Kumar
•There are still significant advantages to owning rental properties as a high earner. First, you're building equity as tenants pay down your mortgage. Second, you benefit from property appreciation over time. Third, you can still deduct expenses up to the amount of rental income (preventing tax on phantom income). Most importantly, those suspended losses aren't gone forever - they're carried forward indefinitely. When you eventually sell the property, all those accumulated losses can be used to offset the gain from the sale. Many investors also deliberately generate passive income from other sources (like REITs or certain business activities) specifically to absorb these carried-forward losses. The key is long-term tax planning rather than focusing on year-to-year deductions.
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Carmella Popescu
Has your father-in-law done any grouping elections for his properties? My CPA had me file a statement with my return to group all my rental activities as a single activity for passive loss purposes. This doesn't get around the income limitations, but it can help if some properties make money while others lose money.
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Kai Santiago
•I second this recommendation. Grouping the properties helped me a ton because my commercial property had positive income while my residential rentals were showing losses after depreciation. Without grouping, I couldn't use the losses from one against the gains from another.
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