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Mei Lin

What could cause a $14,999 deduction on Schedule 3, Line 8? Need help understanding mysterious tax break

I'm a high-earning employee with just W2 income (salary plus some RSUs) and the usual interest/dividend stuff. Nothing fancy like real estate or side businesses. For the first time this year, I hired a CPA based on recommendations from colleagues. He just sent me my draft tax return and there's something weird - he included a $14,999 deduction on my federal taxes on line 20 of Form 1040, with a note saying "Amount from Schedule 3, line 8." The problem is he didn't include the actual Schedule 3 form in what he sent me, so I have absolutely no clue where this came from. I've been going through everything with a fine-tooth comb because I already caught a couple of other mistakes, and now he's stopped responding to my emails. I tried checking on FreeTaxUSA to see what might go there, but their software doesn't show anything for this line on my return. Even looking at a blank Schedule 3 form, nothing stands out as something that would apply to my situation. Some friends who use this same CPA say he's great at finding legitimate deductions, but I'm skeptical about this one. For reference, my previous tax preparer only put a $140 Foreign Tax Credit on line 20 last year. My income roughly doubled this year, but I can't imagine what would justify such a massive deduction. Any idea what could possibly be behind a $14,999 deduction on Schedule 3, line 8? Legitimate or should I be worried?

Schedule 3, Line 8 is for "other payments and refundable credits" and it's actually a collection point for several different possible tax benefits. Some common items that end up there include: - Excess Social Security tax withholding (if you worked for multiple employers) - Federal tax on fuels used for certain purposes - Health coverage tax credit - Qualified sick and family leave credits - Credit for repayment of prior year income Given your situation as a W2 employee with investment income, the most likely explanation would be excess Social Security withholding if you changed jobs or had multiple employers. However, the Social Security wage base limit for last year was $160,200, meaning the maximum Social Security tax anyone should pay is around $9,932. So even if you had excess withholding, it wouldn't reach $14,999. Since your CPA isn't responding, I'd recommend requesting the complete return including all schedules. You have a right to see every form being filed under your name. This deduction seems unusually large for your described situation and you'll want to understand it before filing.

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GalacticGuru

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So if the maximum Social Security tax is around $9,932, does that mean this deduction is definitely incorrect? Or are there other things that could legitimately go on Schedule 3, line 8 that might add up to $14,999? And what happens if the CPA filed an incorrect deduction - would the IRS automatically catch and correct it, or would they consider it fraud?

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The maximum Social Security tax amount means this deduction likely isn't from excess Social Security withholding alone. There are other items that can appear on Schedule 3, line 8, but they're typically specific to certain situations like qualified sick leave credits from the pandemic or very specific business tax credits that don't seem to apply to your situation as described. If the deduction is incorrect and the return is filed this way, the IRS might flag it during processing and send a correction notice, or it could trigger an audit. The IRS doesn't automatically distinguish between honest mistakes and intentional fraud - that determination comes after investigation. Even if it was your CPA's error, you're ultimately responsible for the accuracy of your return since you sign it. That's why it's crucial to understand every number before you sign.

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Amara Nnamani

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Dmitry Ivanov

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I had almost the exact same situation last year - $12,000+ mysterious deduction on Schedule 3, line 8. Turns out my CPA was claiming the Credit for Sick Leave for Self-Employed Individuals from the pandemic relief provisions, but I'm not self-employed! He mixed up my return with someone else's. Definitely get a complete copy of your return including all schedules and worksheets. Schedule 3 has different sections, and line 8 specifically could be from various sources. You need to see exactly which box is checked or which form is referenced. The fact that your CPA isn't responding is a huge red flag. If they can't explain every number on your return, that's a problem. You're the one who signs the return under penalty of perjury, not them.

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Mei Lin

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Wow, that's almost exactly what I'm dealing with! How did you handle it with your CPA once you figured out the mistake? And did you end up filing an amended return or did you catch it before filing?

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Dmitry Ivanov

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I caught it before filing because I always review everything carefully. When I confronted my CPA, he initially tried to defend it saying it was a "strategy" he uses for clients. That was an immediate deal-breaker for me - there's no legitimate "strategy" for claiming credits you don't qualify for! I requested my documents back, found a new CPA, and reported the first one to the state board of accountancy. It's one thing to make an honest mistake, but his response showed it wasn't just a mix-up. My advice: don't sign anything until you understand every number on the return. Get a second opinion if needed. And definitely find a new tax professional who is responsive and transparent. The right CPA will welcome your questions and be able to explain their work clearly.

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Ava Garcia

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Check if your CPA is trying to claim the Qualified Business Income deduction (QBI) from Section 199A. Its technically on Form 8995 or 8995-A but flows to Schedule 3. The QBI deduction can be up to 20% of qualified business income but you need to have business income to claim it. Some sketchy tax preparers try to classify W2 income as business income to claim this deduction, which is straight up wrong and will get you in trouble. If your income doubled this year to around $75k, that would explain the ~$15k deduction (20% of $75k).

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Miguel Silva

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But QBI doesn't go on Schedule 3 line 8, it goes on Form 1040 line 13 as a deduction from taxable income. Schedule 3 line 8 is for credits and other payments, not deductions. I think this is something else.

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