Is my $25k tax refund legitimate? Suspicious line items in my return
Hey everyone, I'm kind of freaking out right now. I've always done my taxes with TurboTax in the past and typically get around $1,000-$2,500 back each year. This year I decided to try a local tax preparer and she's saying I'm getting a refund of $25,000 (actually $25,000 on one form and $35,000 on another?). I compared this year's forms with last year's and noticed some MAJOR differences. The biggest red flags are line 8 "additional income" which shows -$35,000 (it was zero last year) and line 20 "amount from schedule 3, line 8" which shows $30,000 (also zero last year). I'm definitely not complaining about a bigger refund but this seems way too good to be true and I'm worried about potential audits or penalties if something's wrong. Can someone explain what these line items actually mean and if this huge refund could be legitimate? I don't want to file something incorrect.
19 comments


Noah Torres
The short answer is - be very concerned. Those line items are significant and the dramatic difference from your previous returns is a major red flag. Line 8 "additional income" showing -$35,000 suggests your preparer is claiming a substantial negative income adjustment. This could be various things including business losses, but it's unusual for someone who previously had straightforward returns. Line 20 referencing Schedule 3, line 8 typically relates to "other payments and refundable credits" - a $30,000 amount here is extremely unusual for a typical taxpayer. This could include things like excess Social Security tax withheld, fuel tax credits, or other specialized credits. Either your tax situation dramatically changed this year (new business with losses, unusual investments, etc.) or more concerningly, your preparer might be using questionable tactics to generate a large refund.
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Samantha Hall
•So what should OP do now? Request documentation from the preparer explaining these entries? Or just find a different tax person altogether?
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Noah Torres
•I would absolutely request a detailed explanation of exactly what these entries are based on. Ask for documentation supporting both the -$35,000 additional income and the $30,000 in credits. Any legitimate preparer should be able to explain line-by-line what they're claiming and why you qualify. If the explanations sound questionable or they can't provide supporting documentation, I would definitely seek a second opinion from another preparer. The IRS takes a very dim view of claiming unwarranted refunds, and they can assess penalties against you even if your preparer made the mistakes.
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Ryan Young
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Emily Parker
Back to the original question - those line items are super sketchy. Line 8 showing -$35k means your preparer is claiming you had losses that offset your income. Line 20/Schedule 3 showing $30k likely means they're claiming refundable tax credits you didn't have before. I'm a betting man and I'd put money on this being some kind of Earned Income Credit scheme. Some shady preparers will fake self-employment income/losses to manufacture EITC eligibility. The IRS has been cracking down HARD on this. Ask your preparer specifically what these amounts represent. If they can't give you a clear answer with documentation, RUN.
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Natalie Wang
•Thank you so much for this explanation. I just confronted my preparer and asked for documentation on both line items. She got really defensive and kept saying "trust me, it's all legal" but couldn't show me any actual documentation for the business loss or the credits. I'm definitely going to find a new preparer. Do you think I should report her to someone? I'm worried about other people getting caught up in what sounds like fraud.
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Emily Parker
•Yes, you should absolutely report this. The IRS has a specific form for reporting suspected preparer fraud - Form 14157 "Complaint: Tax Return Preparer." There's also Form 14157-A if you believe your tax return was altered without your knowledge. This kind of scheme can have serious consequences for taxpayers. If you file a return with fraudulent information, even unknowingly, you can face penalties and interest on top of having to pay back any improper refund. The IRS generally holds the taxpayer responsible even if the preparer made the errors.
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Ezra Collins
Just want to add that I had a similar massive refund one year ($18k when I normally got $1-2k) and I filed it without questioning because, hey, free money right? BIG MISTAKE. Two years later I got hit with an audit, had to pay back the entire amount PLUS penalties and interest. Ended up owing over $23k and it destroyed my finances for years. Don't mess with the IRS. If something seems fishy, it probably is.
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Victoria Scott
•Were you able to go after the tax preparer for the penalties? Shouldn't they be liable for their mistakes?
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Chloe Boulanger
This is exactly why I always tell people to be extremely cautious with new tax preparers, especially when they promise unusually large refunds. What you're describing sounds like classic "ghost preparation" tactics where preparers manufacture deductions and credits to inflate refunds. The -$35,000 "additional income" combined with $30,000 in credits is a huge red flag. These numbers suggest your preparer may be claiming fake business losses or inappropriate refundable credits like the Earned Income Tax Credit that you don't actually qualify for. My advice: DO NOT file this return. Get copies of everything your preparer did and take it to a reputable CPA or enrolled agent for a second opinion. Ask them to explain every single line item that's different from your previous returns. Also document everything about your interactions with this preparer - you may need it if you decide to report them to the IRS. The fact that she's giving you conflicting refund amounts ($25k vs $35k) is another major warning sign. Better to get a legitimate smaller refund than deal with years of IRS problems, penalties, and having to pay back fraudulent refunds with interest.
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