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I've worked as a tax preparer and here's something people don't realize: the IRS is actually pretty reasonable about payment plans. The key is communication! They'd much rather have you filing and paying something than avoiding them completely. One thing to consider - if your income has changed significantly, you might qualify for an Offer in Compromise where you pay less than the full amount. It's not easy to qualify, but worth looking into if you're truly in financial hardship. Whatever you do, don't use those "pennies on the dollar" tax resolution companies you see advertising on TV. They charge thousands upfront and often deliver nothing.
Thanks for this advice. My income has actually decreased quite a bit since 2022 (lost my higher paying job). Would that potentially help me qualify for an Offer in Compromise? And is that something I can apply for myself or do I need a professional?
Yes, a significant decrease in income could definitely help qualify you for an Offer in Compromise. The IRS looks at your current income, expenses, asset equity, and future earning potential to determine if you can reasonably pay the full amount owed. You can absolutely apply yourself using Form 656, though it's a complex process requiring detailed financial documentation. There's a $205 application fee, but it's waived if you meet low-income certification guidelines. If you decide to go this route, be extremely thorough with your financial information. The IRS rejects most offers that are incomplete or don't accurately reflect your ability to pay. There are good resources on the IRS website to help you through the process if you want to try it yourself.
I dunno if this helps but I didn't file for like 4 years and then got hit with a huge bill. I just called the IRS and said I can't pay it all and they put me on a payment plan for like $120/month. Super easy. Just file ur returns and call them.
I was in your exact situation last year with a K1, stock dividends, and crypto. I ended up using FreeTaxUSA and it worked great. The software walked me through everything step-by-step. The K1 was the most complicated part but they have really clear instructions. For crypto specifically, I just uploaded the Koinly report and it imported all my transactions. So much easier than I expected. The whole thing took me maybe 3 hours total and I saved about $500 compared to my accountant from the previous year.
How did FreeTaxUSA handle the estimated tax payment calculations? That's the part I'm most confused about because my accountant never really explained why I needed to pay them or how they were calculated.
FreeTaxUSA has a really good estimated tax calculator that shows you exactly why you need to make payments. It breaks down how much of your income doesn't have taxes withheld (like your dividends and any crypto gains), and then calculates the quarterly payments you need to make to avoid penalties. The system also explains that you generally need to pay estimates when you expect to owe more than $1,000 at tax time. In your case, the combination of your investment income and crypto probably pushed you over that threshold. The software will generate estimated payment vouchers with the exact amounts and due dates for each quarter, which makes it super straightforward.
just do it urself. i have w2, stocks, crypto and a side bussines and do my own taxes. way easier than people make it sound.
But what software do you use? And how do you handle the K1? That's the part that seems most complicated to me.
lol your meme is probably gonna be relevant next year too š the tax code never gets simpler only more complex. i've been filing taxes for 15 years and every single year there's some new form or calculation. remember when you could file on a postcard? pepperidge farm remembers
Didn't they actually try to make a "postcard-sized" tax form a few years back? Whatever happened to that? Seems like my tax return gets thicker every year.
They did try to make that simplified postcard form around 2018 as part of the tax law changes. It was basically a marketing gimmick - they just moved all the calculations to separate worksheets and schedules that you still had to fill out. The whole thing was abandoned pretty quickly because it actually made filing more complicated, not less. Now tax returns are definitely getting thicker every year with more worksheets and schedules than ever. The 2023 tax year is no exception with all the special credits and deductions they keep adding without simplifying the old ones.
Your meme was probably about Form 8812, right? That thing is a nightmare when you have multiple kids with different living situations. I had to figure out which of my three kids qualified last year when one lives with me, one lives with their mom, and one is in college but comes home during breaks. Ended up getting it wrong and had to file an amended return.
Try using tax software. It walks you through all that stuff step by step. TurboTax, H&R Block, or even the free options like FreeTaxUSA handle all those worksheets and calculations behind the scenes.
With your income levels (~$230k + $105k), you're definitely going to want to file jointly. I'm a financial advisor and run these calculations all the time. MFJ will almost certainly be better than MFS in your situation. Regarding the Roth 401ks - just make sure you're not exceeding income limits. For 2025 filing, the income phase-out for Roth IRA contributions starts at $230k for MFJ. Your 401ks should be fine though.
Thanks for the advice! Just to clarify - are there income limits for Roth 401k contributions? I thought those were just for Roth IRAs.
You're absolutely right, and I should have been clearer. There are no income limits for Roth 401k contributions - those limits only apply to Roth IRAs. With your combined income, you would likely be in the phase-out range for direct Roth IRA contributions, but your Roth 401k contributions are completely fine regardless of income level. That's one advantage of the 401k version.
Has anyone considered that they might be better off delaying the house purchase until they figure out their tax situation? My wife and I bought in 2024 and it completely changed our tax planning.
I wouldn't delay a major life decision like buying a house just for tax reasons. The benefits of homeownership typically outweigh any short-term tax optimization.
LunarEclipse
Don't forget about the wash sale rule if you're thinking about tax loss harvesting! If you sell Mullen at a loss but buy it back within 30 days before or after the sale, you can't claim the tax loss. This applies to "substantially identical" securities too. I learned this the hard way when I sold my Tesla shares at a loss last year and then got excited when it dipped further a week later and bought back in. My tax software flagged it as a wash sale and I couldn't deduct the loss.
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Fatima Al-Mansour
ā¢Thanks for mentioning this! If I do sell, is there any problem with just putting that money into a total market index fund instead? Or would that still trigger this wash sale thing?
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LunarEclipse
ā¢Putting the money into a total market index fund would be perfectly fine and wouldn't trigger the wash sale rule. The rule only applies to "substantially identical" securities, which a diversified index fund definitely is not compared to an individual stock like Mullen. This is actually a smart strategy many investors use - they harvest the tax loss from individual stocks or sector funds, then immediately reinvest in broader index funds to stay invested in the market while avoiding wash sales. Just make sure you don't buy back into Mullen or any security that's too similar to it within that 30-day window before or after your sale.
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Yara Khalil
Just a thought - since you and your spouse are grad students with presumably low income, check if you're in the 0% capital gains tax bracket (income under ~$89k for married filing jointly). If so, you might also want to strategically sell some winners alongside your losers. You could realize gains at 0% tax rate while offsetting with your Mullen losses.
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Keisha Brown
ā¢This is actually brilliant advice that most people overlook. The 0% capital gains bracket is massively underutilized. I did exactly this last year when I was between jobs.
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