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I've been a payroll specialist for 10+ years, and I see this issue all the time with dual-income households. Here's what's happening: when both you and your wife claim "0" (which isn't even a thing on the new W4), your employers are each withholding as if your specific job is your household's only income. The withholding tables are progressive, so they withhold at lower rates for the first chunks of income. The problem? When you combine two incomes, more of that money falls into higher tax brackets than either employer accounts for. So neither job withholds enough for your actual combined tax situation. Solution: One or both of you should fill out the new W4 and either: 1. Check the box in Step 2(c) for "multiple jobs" which approximately increases withholding 2. Complete the worksheet and enter the more precise extra withholding amount in Step 4(c) 3. Or just put an additional dollar amount to withhold from each paycheck
This makes so much sense! So basically each of our employers is calculating withholding like we're in a lower tax bracket because they only see their portion of our income? Now I understand why we keep owing despite claiming "0" on the old forms. If we both make roughly the same amount (I make about $115k and she makes about $108k), should we both check that box in Step 2(c) or just one of us? And do we still select "Married filing jointly" at the top?
Yes, you've got it exactly right! Each employer only "sees" their portion of your income, so they withhold at lower rates than what applies to your combined income. When your incomes are that close (both around $110k), you should only have one of you check the box in Step 2(c). If you both did it, you'd over-withhold by quite a bit. And yes, you should both still select "Married filing jointly" at the top of the form. The spouse with slightly higher income (you in this case) should be the one to check the box, while your wife's W4 should just have the filing status and nothing checked in Step 2.
Has anyone tried just doing an extra flat amount of withholding? My husband and I had the same problem (both claimed 0, still owed $3k+ every year). I just calculated how much we owed, divided by 26 pay periods, and added an extra $125 withholding per paycheck in line 4(c). Way simpler than trying to figure out all these worksheets and multiple jobs calculations.
This is actually pretty smart. No complex calculations, just fixing the shortfall directly. I might try this approach since my eyes glaze over with all the W4 worksheet stuff.
One thing nobody has mentioned yet - if you're self-employed and the investment was related to your business, you might be able to deduct some of these fees as a business expense on Schedule C. I had a similar situation where I took a loan to invest in equipment for my consulting business that also included some stock in the company, and my accountant was able to allocate part of the fees as a legitimate business expense. Might be worth checking if any portion of your investment had a business purpose rather than just being a personal investment.
Would this apply if the stock options were from my employer where I'm just a regular W-2 employee? I don't have any self-employment income or a Schedule C.
No, unfortunately this wouldn't apply in your situation. Since you're a W-2 employee and these were personal investments (even though they were from your employer), you can't deduct these on Schedule C. This strategy only works for self-employed individuals where the investment is directly tied to their business operations. Your best approach is still to add the platform fee to your cost basis as mentioned in the earlier comments, which will reduce your capital gain amount.
Has anyone actually calculated if it's even worth itemizing deductions just to claim investment interest expense? I paid about $3,200 in margin interest last year but the standard deduction is so high now that I'm not sure if it matters.
I ran the numbers for my situation and it wasn't worth it. Had about $2,700 in investment interest but my total itemized deductions were still about $4k below the standard deduction. Plus you can only deduct investment interest up to the amount of your net investment income, which was another limitation for me.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I was thinking it might be the same for me - probably not worth the extra paperwork if I'm still better off with the standard deduction. Guess I'll stick with adding fees to cost basis where possible and not worry about trying to deduct the interest separately.
If you still have the TurboTax, I might be interested. My situation is pretty basic - W2 job plus a small side business selling crafts online. Do you think the Home & Business version would be overkill for me? I used the Deluxe version last year but my online sales have increased.
I think the Home & Business would actually be perfect for your situation with the online craft sales. It's specifically designed for people with a small business or self-employment income. The Deluxe version doesn't include all the business expense categories and Schedule C support that you probably need. Let me figure out how to get this to you without violating any terms of service. Might need to check what the other commenter mentioned about transfers not being allowed.
Has anyone tried FreeTaxUSA? It's way cheaper than TurboTax and handles all the same forms. I switched last year and it was honestly better than TurboTax for my needs (W2 plus rental property). The interface isn't as pretty but it gets the job done for like 1/5 of the price.
I second this! Been using FreeTaxUSA for 3 years now. It handles my freelance work and investment accounts perfectly. Federal filing is free and state is only like $15. No idea why people still pay $100+ for TurboTax.
Just want to add something no one's mentioned - if you're using your personal vehicle for business driving, make sure your auto insurance knows you're doing delivery/rideshare! Many policies don't cover commercial use, and if you get in an accident while delivering, they might deny your claim. Most gig companies offer some coverage, but it's usually limited. I learned this the hard way after a small fender bender during a DoorDash delivery. My regular insurance wouldn't pay because I was "using the vehicle for commercial purposes" and DoorDash only covered liability, not my car repairs. Had to switch to a policy that specifically allows delivery driving.
Wow I hadn't even thought about the insurance angle. Does adding commercial coverage to your policy affect what you can deduct for taxes? Like does it increase the standard mileage rate or anything? And did your insurance premium go up a lot when you added the commercial coverage?
Adding commercial coverage doesn't change your tax deduction options at all. The standard mileage rate remains the same regardless of your insurance type - it's set by the IRS annually. You can still choose between standard mileage or actual expenses. Yes, my premium did increase when I added rideshare/delivery coverage - it went up about $32 per month. But the good news is that additional insurance cost is deductible as a business expense if you're using actual expenses method! If you're using standard mileage rate, it's already factored in though.
You should also consider tracking your cell phone usage for business! Since you're using delivery apps, part of your phone bill can be deducted. Same with any accessories like phone mounts, chargers, or hotspot data you use while working. I usually deduct about 60% of my phone costs since that's roughly how much I use it for gig work.
Angelica Smith
One thing no one has mentioned yet is that the bonus depreciation rules are changing. The 100% bonus depreciation is phasing out: - 80% for property placed in service in 2023 - 60% for property placed in service in 2024 - 40% for property placed in service in 2025 - 20% for property placed in service in 2026 - 0% after 2026 So if you're thinking of using this strategy, sooner is better than later. You'll get more bang for your buck while the bonus depreciation percentages are higher.
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Amelia Cartwright
ā¢That's really helpful info. Does "placed in service" mean when we buy the property, or is there something specific we need to do to consider it "placed in service" for tax purposes?
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Angelica Smith
ā¢Placed in" service generally means when the property is ready and available for its intended use - so for a rental property, it would typically be when'it s ready to be rented out to tenants. If you purchase a property'that s already tenant-ready, the placed-in-service date would likely be the purchase date. However, if you buy a property that needs substantial renovations before it can be rented, the placed-in-service date would be when those renovations are complete and the property is ready for rental. This is an important distinction because it determines which'year s bonus depreciation percentageapplies.
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Logan Greenburg
Make sure you're tracking your basis properly! I'm a software dev who did this exact strategy with my wife (real estate professional) and got hit with a massive tax bill years later when we sold one of our properties. The depreciation lowers your basis in the property, which means higher capital gains when you sell. For example, if you buy a property for $500k, take $250k in depreciation deductions, your adjusted basis becomes $250k. If you later sell for $600k, your taxable gain is $350k ($600k - $250k), not just $100k ($600k - $500k). AND that $250k in depreciation gets "recaptured" and taxed at 25% instead of the lower capital gains rates. It's still usually worth it, but be aware of the long-term implications.
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Charlotte Jones
ā¢Good point about depreciation recapture! One strategy to deal with this is using 1031 exchanges when you sell to defer both the capital gains and the depreciation recapture. We've been doing this for years - selling properties and rolling the proceeds into larger ones without paying tax.
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