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Fatima Al-Mansour

Should I sell my Mullen Stock for tax loss harvesting before year-end?

I bought some Mullen Stock shares through Schwab back in 2022 (totally regret following the hype train on this one) for around $1,300. My husband and I are both in PhD programs, so we don't have regular full-time income - just our savings and what we make teaching as graduate assistants each semester. I'm completely lost on what to do since basically all the money I invested in Mullen has evaporated after their stock split. My portfolio shows a loss of about $1,250 right now, but I haven't sold the shares yet. Would it be smart to sell before the end of 2024 to claim the capital loss on taxes, or should I just hold onto these worthless shares? Any tax advice or suggestions would be super appreciated! Thanks everyone!

Dylan Evans

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Tax loss harvesting might be a good move in your situation. Since you have a substantial loss in your Mullen stock investment, selling before December 31st would allow you to claim that capital loss on your 2024 taxes. For grad students with limited income, capital losses can be particularly valuable. You can use those losses to offset any capital gains you might have from other investments first. If your losses exceed your gains (or if you have no gains), you can use up to $3,000 of net capital losses each year to reduce your ordinary income. Any unused losses can be carried forward to future tax years. One important thing to consider is whether you believe the stock might recover. Tax benefits shouldn't be the only factor in your investment decisions, but given the significant loss and your financial situation as graduate students, realizing the tax benefit might make sense.

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Sofia Gomez

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What if they don't have any other capital gains this year? Is there any benefit to selling the losers then? And also does it matter if they're in a low tax bracket as students?

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Dylan Evans

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Even if you don't have any capital gains to offset, you can still use up to $3,000 of net capital losses to reduce your ordinary income each year. This means your taxable income from your TA positions would be reduced by the amount of your loss (up to that $3,000 limit). Being in a lower tax bracket as students does reduce the immediate tax benefit somewhat, but don't forget that unused losses above the $3,000 annual limit can be carried forward indefinitely to future tax years. This means you can use them when you graduate and potentially move into higher tax brackets with full-time jobs, making those carried-forward losses more valuable then.

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StormChaser

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Dmitry Petrov

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Does this work if I use Fidelity instead of Schwab? And can it help figure out if I should wait until January to sell for tax purposes instead of December?

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Ava Williams

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I've seen so many of these "AI tax tools" pop up lately. How is this different from what TurboTax or H&R Block already offer? Seems like everyone's just slapping AI on everything these days...

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StormChaser

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Yes, it absolutely works with Fidelity and all the major brokerages. I've used it with both Fidelity and Robinhood accounts. The timing analyzer is actually really helpful - it shows the tax implications of selling in December versus January and helps you decide which tax year would be more beneficial for claiming the loss based on your income situation. Regarding how it's different from TurboTax or H&R Block - those are great for filing taxes but they don't specialize in investment strategy throughout the year. Taxr.ai focuses specifically on investment tax optimization and provides ongoing recommendations, not just help at tax time. It analyzes your specific holdings and suggests personalized tax strategies like loss harvesting, lot selection, and wash sale avoidance that most general tax software doesn't cover in detail.

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Miguel Castro

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LunarEclipse

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Don't forget about the wash sale rule if you're thinking about tax loss harvesting! If you sell Mullen at a loss but buy it back within 30 days before or after the sale, you can't claim the tax loss. This applies to "substantially identical" securities too. I learned this the hard way when I sold my Tesla shares at a loss last year and then got excited when it dipped further a week later and bought back in. My tax software flagged it as a wash sale and I couldn't deduct the loss.

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Thanks for mentioning this! If I do sell, is there any problem with just putting that money into a total market index fund instead? Or would that still trigger this wash sale thing?

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LunarEclipse

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Putting the money into a total market index fund would be perfectly fine and wouldn't trigger the wash sale rule. The rule only applies to "substantially identical" securities, which a diversified index fund definitely is not compared to an individual stock like Mullen. This is actually a smart strategy many investors use - they harvest the tax loss from individual stocks or sector funds, then immediately reinvest in broader index funds to stay invested in the market while avoiding wash sales. Just make sure you don't buy back into Mullen or any security that's too similar to it within that 30-day window before or after your sale.

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Yara Khalil

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Just a thought - since you and your spouse are grad students with presumably low income, check if you're in the 0% capital gains tax bracket (income under ~$89k for married filing jointly). If so, you might also want to strategically sell some winners alongside your losers. You could realize gains at 0% tax rate while offsetting with your Mullen losses.

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Keisha Brown

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This is actually brilliant advice that most people overlook. The 0% capital gains bracket is massively underutilized. I did exactly this last year when I was between jobs.

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