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I'm going to go against the grain here. I actually DID set up a Keogh Plan for my business (it's a partnership, not an S Corp) back in 2019. Yes, "Keogh" is technically outdated terminology, but some financial institutions still use it. What you're really setting up is a qualified retirement plan - either defined contribution or defined benefit. The paperwork is definitely complicated. I used a TPA (third-party administrator) who charged about $1,200 for setup and $900 annually for administration including the Form 5500 filing. The 412(e)(3) plans are a specific type of defined benefit plan fully insured through annuity contracts. These tend to be used by high-income professionals who want to max out retirement contributions beyond what's possible with defined contribution plans.
Thanks for sharing your actual experience! The annual administration fees are higher than I expected. Did you feel like the Keogh/qualified plan gave you any specific advantages over a Solo 401(k)? Was the extra cost and complexity worth it in your situation?
In my specific situation, it was worth it because I was able to contribute significantly more than the defined contribution limits. I was 52 when I set it up and wanted to catch up on retirement savings, so the higher contribution limits of a defined benefit plan made sense. For most S Corp owners, especially younger ones, a Solo 401(k) with profit sharing would be simpler and just as effective. The administrative costs add up, and unless you're consistently putting away large sums (typically above $60,000 annually), the complexity probably isn't justified. As a reference point, my contributions have been between $100,000-$125,000 annually, which made the admin costs reasonable in comparison.
Has anyone used Vanguard or Fidelity for their solo 401k or other small business retirement plans? Do they help with setup?
I use Vanguard for my Solo 401(k) for my single-member LLC. Their setup process was super simple - just a few forms to fill out. They don't provide tax advice, but the actual account setup was straightforward. Their fees are really low compared to insurance companies, and they don't push annuity products which typically have high fees.
Something else to consider - if you're close to the QBI income thresholds ($340,100 for MFJ in 2025), including or excluding certain activities can impact whether you face the limitations based on W-2 wages or qualified property. In some cases, it might actually be beneficial to include losses to bring your total QBI under the threshold. Tax planning for QBI isn't always intuitive!
Good point! Our AGI is actually around $325,000 so we're approaching that threshold. Does that change your recommendation on whether we should include the rental losses in QBI or not?
Since you're still below the threshold (but approaching it), you still likely benefit from excluding the rental losses from QBI. At your income level, you can take the full 20% deduction on positive QBI without the wage/property limitations. If including rental losses would reduce your positive QBI from your wife's self-employment, then excluding them makes perfect sense. However, if your income rises above the threshold in future years, the calculation becomes more complex, and including some loss activities might occasionally be beneficial to stay under the phase-out limits.
Has anyone tried using the QBI worksheets in different tax software? I tried both H&R Block and TurboTax and got different results for the exact same scenario with my rentals.
Does anyone know if we can file normally (earlier than November) if we want to? My house was barely affected (just some minor leaking) and I'm actually expecting a pretty big refund this year. I'm in Santa Barbara County which is covered by the extension, but I'd rather get my refund sooner if possible.
One important thing that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you make estimated tax payments, this extension also applies to those. So the Q1 and Q2 2025 estimated payments that would normally be due April 15 and June 15 are now also extended to November 16. This was a huge relief for me since my small business got hit hard by the flooding and cash flow has been a nightmare. Being able to delay those estimated payments while we rebuild is actually making a significant difference.
Does anyone know if we'll get hit with an underpayment penalty if we don't make any estimated payments until November? Usually you're supposed to pay quarterly but this situation seems different.
Based on what I learned from the IRS when I called, you won't face underpayment penalties for delaying these specific estimated payments until November 16th. The disaster relief specifically waives penalties for these delayed payments. However, it's important to note that this only applies to the specific payment deadlines that fall within the relief period. Future estimated payments beyond this period would still follow the regular schedule and penalty rules.
Just to add another perspective - I was in a similar situation last year (US resident who moved abroad and then took a retirement distribution). One thing to be aware of is that you may be subject to additional reporting requirements beyond just the 1040 and figuring out how to report the 1042-S income. If you had financial accounts outside the US that exceeded $10,000 at any point, you might need to file an FBAR (FinCEN Form 114). And depending on your total assets abroad, you might also need Form 8938. These have serious penalties if you miss them.
Thanks for bringing that up - I hadn't even thought about FBAR requirements! Do you know if Australian superannuation accounts (their retirement system) count toward that $10,000 threshold? And did you end up getting back a decent amount of the withholding from your retirement distribution?
Yes, Australian superannuation accounts generally do count toward the FBAR filing threshold. The FBAR requirement applies to pretty much any financial account you have overseas, including retirement accounts, investment accounts, and bank accounts. It's based on the highest combined value during the year, so if all your foreign accounts together exceeded $10,000 at any point, you need to file it. Regarding the withholding, I did get back a substantial amount. My distribution had the standard 30% withholding plus the 10% early withdrawal penalty, but my actual tax rate was around 22%. So I got back the difference when I filed my return. The key was properly reporting the 1042-S income and the withholding on my 1040, which showed I had overpaid.
Slight tangent but worth mentioning - when you file as a dual-status taxpayer, be aware that you generally can't file jointly with a spouse, you're limited on which deductions/credits you can claim, and you have to use the standard deduction (itemizing isn't allowed). Also, foreign tax credits work differently.
Isabella Silva
Don't forget to check if you qualify for the IRS Free File Program! If your adjusted gross income is under $73,000, you might be eligible for completely free filing through their partner companies. Just go to IRS.gov and search "Free File" to see the options. I used H&R Block through this program last year with a 1099-NEC and it was completely free.
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Ravi Choudhury
ā¢Does the Free File Program still limit you if you have self-employment income? I thought most of those options still made you upgrade if you have a 1099.
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Isabella Silva
ā¢Some Free File partners do have restrictions on 1099 income, but not all of them. For example, TaxAct's Free File version does support 1099-NEC without upgrading, while some others might require an upgrade. The key is to use the tool on the IRS Free File site that matches you with eligible programs based on your specific situation. Just answer a few questions about your income sources and it will show you only the providers that can handle your tax situation completely free. Don't go directly to the tax company's website - always start at IRS.gov/freefile to ensure you get the actual free version.
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Freya Andersen
If you're comfortable doing a bit more work yourself, you could try using the Free Fillable Forms directly from the IRS. It's not as user-friendly as the guided options like TurboTax, but it's completely free and handles all forms including 1099-NEC. You just need to know which forms to fill out and how to do the calculations yourself.
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Omar Farouk
ā¢I tried Free Fillable Forms once and it was a nightmare. No guidance, no error checking until the very end, and then it rejected my return for some obscure reason I couldn't figure out. Ended up having to start over with paid software anyway. Wouldn't recommend unless you really know what you're doing.
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