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In addition to what others have said, I think it's worth noting that TIN stands for Taxpayer Identification Number and can refer to several different types of IDs: 1. Social Security Number (SSN) for individuals 2. Employer Identification Number (EIN) for businesses and organizations 3. Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) for certain resident/nonresident aliens 4. Preparer Tax Identification Number (PTIN) for tax preparers The IRS uses an EIN as their TIN, which is why you see it listed as the Federal Identification Number. Just wanted to clarify since this terminology can be confusing!
Thanks so much for breaking this down! I was actually wondering about the different types of identification numbers. Does this mean I'd use my SSN as my TIN when filling out forms as an individual?
Yes, exactly! As an individual taxpayer, your SSN serves as your TIN for tax purposes. That's why when forms ask for "your TIN," you provide your Social Security Number. For the 1099-INT you received from the IRS, you'll notice they provided their EIN as the payer's TIN because they're an organization. It's all part of the same identification system, just different types of numbers depending on the entity.
I had the same confusion last year! One tip nobody mentioned - if you're using tax software like TurboTax or H&R Block, they sometimes label the field differently than what's on the actual form. In TurboTax, I remember it specifically asked for "Payer's EIN" rather than TIN or Federal Identification Number.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - you need to be careful about state taxes too! Depending on what state you live in, the rules for self-employment income can be really different. Some states have additional registration requirements for certain dollar amounts. Also, don't forget to keep a percentage of all your earnings set aside for taxes. I learned this the hard way and got hit with a huge bill. I now automatically transfer 30% of all payments to a separate savings account just for taxes.
How do you figure out the state requirements? Is there a website where you can check what the rules are for each state? I'm in California and I've heard they're extra strict about reporting income.
Most states have a department of revenue or taxation website where you can find the specific requirements. For California specifically, you should check the California Tax Service Center website. They're indeed more stringent about reporting requirements. I'd also recommend looking into whether you need a business license in your city or county, as some local jurisdictions require this even for small online businesses. California does have some additional forms and possibly registration requirements depending on your exact income level.
Just wanted to share that you might consider setting up an LLC for additional privacy protection. It creates a separate legal entity for your business activities. I did this for my online crafting business and it helps keep my personal identity a bit more separate from my business activities. It costs money to set up (varies by state, usually $50-200) and there might be annual fees, but it could be worth it for the peace of mind if privacy is a big concern.
But doesn't setting up an LLC require public registration with your state? I thought your name would be publicly searchable as the owner, which seems counterproductive if privacy is the goal.
Something to watch out for with virtual firm conversions - we got hit with unexpected payroll tax issues. When we converted our newly acquired Michigan firm to virtual, several employees moved to different states. We didn't realize we needed to register for payroll tax accounts in each of those states, and the penalties were hefty. Make sure you're tracking employee locations carefully and filing all required state withholding forms. Form 941 federal filings weren't enough! Also, if you're planning to sell after conversion, get a good tax accountant to help you maximize the Qualified Business Income deduction before the sale. We were able to save almost $67,000 by restructuring some aspects of the business prior to our exit.
Did you have to deal with any local tax issues beyond state level? Our target firm has employees who would be working from Philadelphia which I know has its own wage tax. Any tips on tracking all these multi-state/local tax obligations?
Yes, local taxes were actually more problematic than state taxes in some cases. Philadelphia wage tax was exactly one we encountered - it's around 3.5% for residents and still applies even when working remotely for an out-of-state employer. The key to tracking multi-jurisdiction obligations was implementing a good workforce management system that logged employee locations. We use a combination of IP logging and employee self-certification of work locations. For tax compliance, we ended up subscribing to a specialized multi-state tax service that alerts us to filing requirements and due dates across all jurisdictions. Initially tried to handle it manually and missed several local tax filings that resulted in penalties.
Has anyone used a tax-deferred exchange (like a 1031 equivalent) when selling their accounting practice? I'm looking at selling my firm in Dallas and using the proceeds to acquire a larger one in Houston, but trying to minimize the immediate tax hit. My current practice is an S-Corp but the target is an LLC. Would appreciate any guidance on structuring this to defer taxes!
Unfortunately, a 1031 exchange only applies to real property, not business entities like accounting practices. The goodwill and client lists that make up most of an accounting firm's value don't qualify. Your best bet might be an installment sale (using Form 6252) to spread the tax hit over multiple years.
Has anyone checked if this might be related to that glitch in the IRS system from earlier this year? I remember reading something about the FUTA processing system having issues with state credit calculations. Maybe worth mentioning that specifically when you contact them?
Do you have any links about that glitch? I'm dealing with a similar issue but my accountant hasn't mentioned anything about a known system problem. Would be helpful to reference when I call them.
I don't have the exact link handy, but it was discussed in a Tax Notes article around February. The issue was specifically with the IRS automated processing system incorrectly flagging certain states as FUTA credit reduction states for the 2023 tax year when they weren't actually on the reduction list. If I remember correctly, the states most commonly affected were Ohio, Kentucky, and Virginia - businesses in these states were incorrectly having the credit reduction applied even though they weren't on the official reduction list for 2023. The article mentioned that the IRS was aware of the issue but hadn't fully resolved it in their automated processing system.
I'm a small business owner who just went through this exact same thing with a CP23 for FUTA recalculation. What tax software did you use to file? I'm wondering if certain tax programs are calculating this incorrectly.
Mateo Rodriguez
Something else to consider - if your LLC has elected S-Corp taxation (some partnerships do this), the rules are slightly different. The charitable contributions still pass through to shareholders, but they're not subject to self-employment tax savings like ordinary business expenses would be. Also, there are AGI limitations on charitable deductions that might affect high-income partners. For most cash donations it's 60% of AGI, but for inventory it's usually limited to 30% of AGI.
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AstroAce
ā¢Do you know if the donations would affect the basis in our partnership interests? We've been told conflicting things.
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Mateo Rodriguez
ā¢Charitable contributions do reduce your basis in the partnership. When the partnership donates property, each partner's basis is reduced by their share of the partnership's basis in the donated property - not by the deduction amount that flows through. This basis reduction is important to track because it affects your gain/loss calculation when you eventually sell your partnership interest. If you don't properly reduce your basis, you could understate your gain (or overstate your loss) on sale, which would be a problem if audited.
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Aisha Abdullah
Has anyone here actually used Form 8283 for business inventory donations? It seems really complicated and I'm not sure which parts apply to partnership situations.
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Ethan Wilson
ā¢Yes, I've done this! For partnership donations, the partnership completes Form 8283 and attaches it to the partnership return. Then each partner also attaches a copy to their individual return. Make sure you complete Section A for items valued under $5,000 and Section B for items over $5,000. Section B requires a qualified appraiser's signature, which can be a pain to arrange. Also, if any single item is worth over $500, you need a detailed description including condition and how you established fair market value.
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