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Another approach to consider: instead of using 529 funds for ALL your qualified expenses, you could pay some expenses out of pocket or with student loans, then use those expenses to claim education credits. For my daughter's education, we calculated the optimal mix: we used 529 funds for room and board (which qualify for tax-free 529 distributions but not for education credits), and then paid tuition with other funds so we could claim the AOTC. You need to carefully coordinate this since timing matters - the education expenses have to be paid in the same tax year you're claiming the credit.
Thanks for that strategy idea! How do you determine what the right split is between using 529 funds versus other money? Do you need to keep really detailed records to show which expenses were paid from which source?
The ideal split depends on maximizing your education credits. For the American Opportunity Credit, you need $4,000 in qualified expenses to get the full $2,500 credit. So I typically recommend paying at least $4,000 of tuition/fees from non-529 sources, then using 529 funds for remaining tuition and all room/board expenses. Yes, good record-keeping is essential! Keep copies of all tuition statements, receipts for books/supplies, and documentation showing which payment method was used for each expense. I create a simple spreadsheet each semester showing expense type, amount, date paid, and payment source. This has been extremely helpful during tax season and would be crucial documentation if ever audited.
My tax preparer actually advised AGAINST this strategy last year, telling me the IRS might flag it as suspicious. But after doing more research and talking with other tax professionals, I realized he was wrong. The key is proper documentation. I made sure to keep: - The 1098-T from my university - My 529 distribution statements - A written explanation of my election to treat part of the distribution as taxable - Calculations showing how much of the distribution was being treated as taxable I ended up saving over $1,800 by making $4,000 of my qualified expenses taxable so I could claim the AOTC. Remember that the AOTC is partially refundable (up to $1,000), which means you can get money back even if you don't owe any tax!
I've been using a structure with a holding LLC (not C Corp) that owns several property LLCs for about 5 years now. Here's what I've learned: 1) Talk to a real estate tax specialist, not just a general CPA 2) The holding company approach simplifies banking and reporting a lot 3) C Corps rarely make sense for rental real estate due to double taxation and loss of preferential capital gains rates 4) Annual compliance costs increase with each entity, so factor that in 5) Some states have entity taxes or fees that make multiple LLCs expensive (looking at you, California) The biggest advantage I've found is simplified management while maintaining good liability segregation between properties.
Thanks for sharing your experience! So with your holding LLC structure, do you just file one partnership return for the holding LLC, or do you still need to file for each property LLC as well? I'm trying to understand the administrative burden.
With my structure, I only file one partnership return (Form 1065) for the holding LLC. The individual property LLCs are treated as "disregarded entities" for federal tax purposes since they're single-member LLCs owned by the holding LLC. This significantly reduces tax preparation costs and paperwork. You'll still need to maintain separate books for each property for good management practices, but the tax filing burden is much lighter. Note that state requirements vary - some states may require separate filings or have annual fees for each LLC regardless of tax status. In my case, the administrative simplification at the federal level has been a big advantage.
Has anyone considered the implications of qualified business income (QBI) deduction (Section 199A) with these different structures? I'm currently trying to make sure whatever entity structure I choose maximizes my potential QBI deduction for my rental properties.
That's a really important consideration. For real estate investors, the QBI deduction can offer up to a 20% deduction on qualified business income. With pass-through entities (LLCs taxed as partnerships, S Corps, or disregarded entities), you generally preserve your ability to claim this deduction. C Corps aren't eligible for the QBI deduction, which is another reason they're often not ideal for real estate holdings. Also, if your income is above certain thresholds, having your properties in the right structure becomes even more important to maximize QBI benefits.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet - if your client is REALLY struggling financially, you might want to look into Currently Not Collectible (CNC) status before trying an OIC. If they genuinely can't afford to pay anything, the IRS might put their account into CNC status temporarily, which pauses collection activities. Interest and penalties still accrue, but it gives them breathing room to improve their financial situation. Then they could move to a payment plan or OIC later when they're more stable.
I've heard about CNC status but wasn't sure if it would apply in this case. Would the IRS consider CNC even if my client has consistent income? Their issue is more that the total amount is overwhelming rather than having no income at all.
CNC status is based on ability to pay after necessary living expenses, not just on having income. If your client's income is being consumed by reasonable living expenses with nothing left over, they could still qualify. The IRS uses their Collection Financial Standards to determine what counts as necessary expenses. Have your client document all their actual expenses - housing, utilities, food, healthcare, transportation, etc. If these legitimate expenses leave little to nothing for tax payments, they have a case for CNC status even with steady income. The IRS would rather put someone in CNC temporarily than force them into a payment plan they can't maintain.
Has anyone mentioned the 10-year statute of limitations? The IRS generally has 10 years from the date of assessment to collect taxes. So if your client is truly in dire financial straits and qualifies for Currently Not Collectible status as another commenter mentioned, some of that debt might eventually "age out" if they remain in hardship for years. Obviously this isn't a primary strategy to recommend, but it's something to be aware of when looking at the total picture.
Be careful with this advice! The 10-year clock doesn't start until the tax is assessed, which can't happen until the return is filed. For unfiled returns, the clock hasn't even started ticking yet. Plus, certain actions can extend that 10-year period, like requesting an installment agreement or filing bankruptcy.
One resource nobody's mentioned yet is the IRS's own Cumulative Bulletin and Internal Revenue Bulletins. They publish revenue rulings, procedures, and announcements that often clarify the code and regs. You can find them free on irs.gov by searching "IRB" and the relevant year. Also, for tax court cases, don't sleep on Google Scholar. Just go to scholar.google.com, select "Case law" instead of articles, and search terms plus "tax court". It's surprisingly comprehensive and totally free. My personal workflow is: 1. IRS pubs for overview 2. Cornell Law for code sections 3. Google Scholar for cases 4. Revenue Rulings/Procedures for IRS interpretations
This is super helpful, especially the Google Scholar tip! I hadn't thought of using that for tax research. Do you find the search results are accurate or do you get a lot of unrelated cases to sort through?
Google Scholar works surprisingly well if you use specific terms. For instance, instead of searching "business expenses tax court," try "ordinary and necessary 162(a) tax court" to get more relevant results. You'll still get some unrelated cases, but far fewer than a general search. I usually add the specific code section in my search along with any technical tax terms. If you're looking for cases on a particular issue, adding terms like "held that" or "we conclude" can help find cases where the court actually made a ruling on your issue rather than just mentioning it in passing.
Is anyone using Westlaw or LexisNexis for tax research? My friend has access through his job and says they're the best for finding relevant cases, but they're crazy expensive for individuals. Wondering if they're worth trying to get access to somehow.
Westlaw and LexisNexis are industry standards for a reason - they have excellent search capabilities and organizing features. But they're prohibitively expensive for most individuals unless you have access through work or school.
Lim Wong
Something else to consider is the level of audit your cousin might face. There are different types of IRS audits: 1. Correspondence audit - Just done through mail 2. Office audit - You go to an IRS office 3. Field audit - IRS comes to your place For a big theft loss, it might be a field audit which is more intensive. In that case, DEFINITELY get representation from someone with specific experience handling field audits for theft losses. When I had a field audit (different situation), my regular tax preparer was way out of his depth. I ended up having to hire a specialized tax attorney halfway through and it cost WAY more than if I'd just started with the right person.
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Brielle Johnson
ā¢That's a really good point I hadn't considered. Do you know how we can find out what kind of audit they'd likely do for something like this? And did you find that having representation made the field audit less stressful? My cousin is already pretty anxious about the whole situation.
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Lim Wong
ā¢It's hard to predict exactly, but generally, the larger the deduction and more complex the situation, the more likely it is to be a field audit. For a significant theft loss, I'd plan for at least an office audit if not a field audit. Having representation absolutely made the process less stressful. My tax attorney handled most of the direct interaction with the auditor, prepared me for questions I needed to answer, and made sure I didn't volunteer unnecessary information that could expand the scope of the audit. Worth every penny for the reduced stress alone. Before hiring anyone, ask specifically about their experience with the type of audit they think you might face. Some preparers are great with correspondence audits but have never handled a field audit.
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Dananyl Lear
Don't forget about enrolled agents! Everyone here is talking about CPAs and tax attorneys, but EAs specialize specifically in tax issues and IRS representation, often at lower rates. They're licensed by the IRS and many have backgrounds working for the IRS. I've used an EA for years and when I got audited for a business expense issue, she was amazing. She knew exactly what documentation the IRS would want, how to present it, and handled everything with minimal involvement from me. For theft losses specifically, ask anyone you interview about Section 165 experience and specifically about Rev. Proc. 2009-20 if it might apply to your cousin's situation.
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Noah huntAce420
ā¢I second this! My enrolled agent charges about half what CPAs in my area charge, and she used to work for the IRS so she knows exactly how they think. She's saved me so much money and stress over the years. Definitely worth considering as an option.
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Ana Rusula
ā¢What's the difference between a CPA and an EA? Are EAs actually qualified to handle complex situations? No offense but I always thought they were like a step down from "real" tax professionals.
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