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You should definitely get a second opinion from another accountant. When I had my own business last year (house painting), I had major losses the first year but also have 2 kids. My first accountant was super conservative like yours, but another accountant I consulted explained that refundable tax credits like the Child Tax Credit and Earned Income Credit can absolutely result in getting more back than you paid in. The tax code actually works this way by design to help lower income families, especially those with children. Your business losses reduce your taxable income, potentially making you eligible for these credits or increasing their amount. My second accountant walked me through Schedule C, showed me where my business deductions were legitimate, and explained how they interact with the credits. I ended up filing with the larger refund amount and never got audited.
Thanks for this advice. I've been thinking about getting a second opinion from another accountant. Did you just call around until you found someone willing to take a look? And how much did they charge for the second opinion?
I asked friends for recommendations and found one who specialized in small businesses. I was upfront that I wanted a second opinion, and they charged me $150 for a consultation where they reviewed my documents and explained their reasoning. It was money well spent because they identified several additional deductions my first accountant missed, which more than paid for the consultation. Look for someone who works with a lot of sole proprietors in your industry, as they'll be more familiar with the specific deductions and credits that apply to your situation.
I'm an insurance agent with a side gig selling handmade crafts. Last year was my first year with substantial business losses ($8k), and I was in a very similar situation. My regular job withheld about $3200, but I got back almost $7000! What nobody's mentioned yet is the Earned Income Credit - with three kids and a reduced income (after your business losses), you might qualify for a significant EIC, which is refundable. Combined with the Child Tax Credit, this can definitely result in getting back more than you paid in. And that workshop building? That's a capital asset that could be eligible for Section 179 deduction or bonus depreciation, allowing you to deduct the full cost in year one rather than depreciating it over several years. I say go with the tax software calculation. Just make sure you have documentation for all your expenses in case you do get questioned.
This is why I always use tax software instead of an accountant! Last year I got back $4500 more than I paid in because of my business losses and two kids. The software finds all these credits automatically. Just make sure you answer all the questions accurately about business use percentages and stuff.
3 Some additional advice from someone who went through this exact situation: make sure you get written confirmation from the reverse mortgage company about whether they're reporting any forgiven debt to the IRS. In my case, they initially said they wouldn't but then sent a 1099-C for the forgiven amount. The mortgage servicer and the actual lender sometimes don't communicate well with each other. Get EVERYTHING in writing, especially any agreements about debt forgiveness.
11 Did you end up having to pay taxes on the forgiven debt? My parents' reverse mortgage is underwater by about $65,000 and I'm terrified of getting hit with a massive tax bill if we do a short sale.
3 I didn't end up paying taxes on it, but only because I kept all the documentation and fought it. When I received the unexpected 1099-C (Cancellation of Debt) form, I had to file Form 982 with my tax return to claim an exclusion. In my case, I qualified for the exclusion because the debt was considered "qualified principal residence indebtedness" under a temporary extension of the tax relief provisions. But the rules change frequently, which is why consulting with a tax professional who specializes in real estate is so important. The documentation I had from the mortgage company proving it was a principal residence was critical to avoiding that tax bill.
21 One thing nobody's mentioned - don't forget about the stepped-up basis for capital gains purposes when you inherited the house. If you do end up selling for more than the loan amount (even if it's less than what your parent paid), you likely won't owe capital gains tax because your basis is the fair market value at the time of death, not what your parent paid for it.
8 How do you determine the fair market value at time of death? Do you need a formal appraisal or can you use comps from around that time?
Check your last pay stub from them if you still have it. The YTD (year-to-date) withholding amounts should be on there, and you can use those numbers for boxes 2 and 18 on Form 4852. I had to do this with a seasonal job that never sent me a W-2 at all!
But what if the numbers on the paystub don't match what should've been on the W-2? Can you get in trouble for that? Who's responsible if there's a discrepancy?
If there's a discrepancy between your pay stub and what would have been on your W-2, you won't get in trouble as long as you're using the best information available to you and documenting your efforts to get the correct information. The responsibility ultimately falls on the employer to provide accurate tax documents, and the IRS understands that sometimes taxpayers have to file with estimated information. When you file Form 4852, there's actually a section where you explain how you determined the amounts and what efforts you made to obtain the correct W-2.
This just happened to me with a retail job! I filed IRS Form 3949-A to report them for not providing complete tax documents. Technically they're breaking the law and could face penalties. Felt good to hold them accountable after they ignored my requests for weeks.
Did anything actually happen after you filed that form? I'm wondering if it's worth the effort or if the IRS just files it away somewhere and never follows up.
One thing nobody mentioned yet is keeping good records! I learned the hard way that whichever method you choose, you NEED to track: - Exact mileage (starting/ending odometer readings) - Date of each trip - Business purpose - All receipts for gas, repairs, insurance, etc. I got audited in 2023 and lost a $8,200 vehicle deduction because my records were trash. Now I use MileIQ app to track everything automatically. Don't make my mistake!!
Does the app separate business vs personal miles automatically? That's the part I always mess up. Also, does it integrate with any tax software?
The app lets you swipe right for business trips and left for personal ones after each drive, so it's not fully automatic - you still need to classify them. But it does track all the other details automatically (date, time, route, mileage). And yes, it can export to Excel or CSV formats that work with most tax software. I use TurboTax and it imports the data pretty seamlessly. The peace of mind knowing I have audit-proof records is totally worth the small effort of swiping each day.
For what it's worth, I've done both methods for my HVAC business over the years, and I found that if you drive more than 15,000 business miles per year, standard mileage usually works better unless you have a gas-guzzling truck or tons of repairs. If you drive a vehicle with high maintenance costs or poor gas mileage, actual expenses tends to be better. For my F-250 work truck, actual expenses saved me about $2,100 over standard mileage last year. Also remember - if you use standard mileage, you can STILL deduct business parking fees and tolls separately! A lot of people don't realize this.
This is super helpful perspective! My truck definitely falls into the "gas guzzler with high maintenance" category - it's a 2018 F-150 and I spent almost $4,300 on repairs last year plus all the gas. Sounds like I should really run the numbers on actual expenses based on your experience.
Definitely run the numbers with your specific situation. One other tip - if you go with actual expenses, don't forget to include less obvious costs like depreciation, property taxes on the vehicle, and even insurance. Those can really add up! A vehicle like yours with high repair costs often does better with actual expenses, especially if you're keeping all your receipts. Just remember that with either method, you need to track your business vs. personal miles to determine the business use percentage.
Emma Thompson
Something important that nobody mentioned yet - if you're filing for 2022 this late, make sure you're using the correct forms and rules for that tax year! The child tax credit changed between 2021, 2022, and 2023. For 2022 specifically, the maximum credit was $2,000 per qualifying child with up to $1,500 potentially refundable. The expanded CTC from 2021 (which was fully refundable) expired and wasn't available for 2022. Also, don't forget that even with zero income, you still need to file a return to claim tax credits in most cases. The IRS won't automatically send you anything if you don't file!
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Connor Murphy
ā¢Thanks for mentioning this! I didn't even consider that the forms might be different since I'm filing late. Do you know if there's a penalty for filing 2022 taxes this late if I'm owed a refund?
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Emma Thompson
ā¢There's generally no penalty for filing late if you're owed a refund! The IRS is actually happy to hold onto your money longer. However, there is a time limit - you must file your return within 3 years of the original due date to claim any refund. For 2022 taxes, that means you have until April 2026 to file and still get any refund you're entitled to. Just be sure to clearly mark which tax year you're filing for on your forms, and I'd recommend filing the 2022 and 2023 returns separately rather than at the same time to avoid any confusion. And definitely use tax software or forms specific to the 2022 tax year rather than current forms.
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Malik Davis
Has anyone used TurboTax for claiming a newborn when filing late? I'm in a similar situation (baby born Oct 2022, filing now) and wondering if their software handles this correctly or if it gets confused with the different tax years?
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Isabella Santos
ā¢I used TurboTax last month to file my late 2022 return with a December baby. It works fine - they keep the old tax year versions available. Just make sure you specifically select "2022" when you start, not the current year. It'll ask when your child was born and automatically figure out that they count for the full year even though they were born in December.
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