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Has anyone tried OnPay? My brother uses it for his contracting business and says it's cheaper than Gusto but still does everything automatically. I'm looking at options for my pet grooming shop with 5 employees.
Do they handle multi-state employees? I have people working remotely from different states now and it's becoming a nightmare with my current system.
Thanks for sharing your experience! It's reassuring to hear from someone using it long-term. Does it handle tip reporting well? That's something we need to manage for our groomers. OnPay does handle multi-state employees really well according to their website. My brother mentioned they actually specialize in that since they work with a lot of construction companies that cross state lines. You can apparently set up unlimited state tax accounts without extra fees.
Just wanna say, as someone who tried to DIY payroll for a year with spreadsheets, PLEASE use actual payroll software regardless of which one you pick!!! I messed up our quarterly filings so badly we ended up with $2300 in penalties and had to hire a tax pro to fix everything. The money you spend on proper software is worth every penny.
Oh man, I feel this comment in my SOUL. Did the same thing with my first business and ended up with a similar mess. Tax agencies have zero sense of humor about payroll mistakes.
That's exactly what I'm trying to avoid! I've been doing contract-only up until now, but as we're growing I'm bringing on more permanent staff. Did you end up with a software solution you liked after your spreadsheet disaster?
Just to add some clarity on the original question - besides not needing Form 940, you also don't need to file Form 941 (quarterly employment tax returns) either since you don't have employees and aren't on payroll yourselves. What you DO need to focus on is paying your self-employment taxes through your personal tax return (Schedule SE). Since you mentioned it's just you and your husband taking money from the business to live on, those are considered "draws" not wages, and you'll pay self-employment tax (15.3%) on your net business income. Make sure you're setting aside enough for those taxes - they can be a shock if you're not prepared!
Is there any advantage to them putting themselves on actual payroll instead of just taking draws? I've heard something about S-corps saving on self-employment taxes but I'm fuzzy on the details.
There can be significant tax advantages to electing S-corporation status and putting yourself on payroll, but it comes with more complexity and costs. With an S-corp, you can pay yourself a "reasonable salary" subject to employment taxes, then take additional money as distributions that aren't subject to self-employment tax. This can save thousands in self-employment taxes depending on your profit level, but you'll have additional costs: payroll processing, employment tax filings (including Forms 940 and 941), workers' comp insurance, and additional accounting complexity. Generally, businesses making $40,000+ in profit might benefit from this structure, but it's very situation-dependent and requires professional guidance to do correctly.
As someone who's been in the cleaning business for 10+ years, I'd suggest focusing on your business growth now and not worrying about complicated tax strategies like S-corps yet. In the beginning, the simplicity of partnership taxation (which is what your LLC has by default) outweighs the potential tax savings. Just make sure you're tracking all your legitimate business expenses - cleaning supplies, equipment, vehicle mileage, home office deduction if applicable, insurance, marketing costs, etc. These deductions will reduce your taxable income and self-employment taxes.
One thing no one's mentioned yet is that with a 51/49 S-Corp split, you need to be super careful about maintaining corporate formalities. My business partner and I had a similar arrangement, and we got in trouble because we were just pulling money from the business account whenever we needed it. Make sure you: 1. Hold regular board meetings and document decisions about compensation/distributions 2. Keep business and personal expenses completely separate 3. Put yourselves on a regular payroll schedule 4. Document any distributions with corporate resolutions We learned this the hard way when we got audited and had our S-Corp status threatened because we were too casual about taking money out.
Thanks for bringing this up. We've been keeping personal and business finances separate, but we haven't been holding any formal meetings or keeping minutes. For board meetings, is this something we need to do monthly? And what kind of documentation should we keep for distributions?
You should hold and document board meetings at least quarterly, though monthly is better when you're making regular financial decisions. The minutes don't need to be elaborate - just record date, who attended, key decisions made (especially about finances), and have them signed. For distributions, create a simple corporate resolution for each one stating the amount, distribution date, and that it was approved by the board. Make sure distributions are proportional to ownership (51/49) unless you have specific documentation justifying otherwise. We got flagged because our distributions weren't matching our ownership percentages, which raised red flags with the IRS.
Don't forget about estimated taxes! This caught me completely off guard with my S-Corp. Since profits pass through to your personal returns, you'll need to make quarterly estimated tax payments based on your projected income. With $50-75k monthly revenue, you could be looking at significant tax liability.
This is huge. I missed my first quarterly payment because I didn't understand S-Corp taxation and ended up with penalties. Talk to your accountant about setting up proper tax planning from day one.
Thanks for confirming this. When my S-Corp started making real money, I had no idea about estimated taxes and ended up with a huge tax bill plus penalties the following April. It's especially important with your 51/49 split - both of you will need to make individual quarterly payments based on your share of the profits, even before you take distributions.
I represented myself in tax court in 2022 over a $6,700 dispute. Biggest mistake ever. Thought I'd save money but the judge kept asking me about tax code sections I'd never heard of. The IRS attorney referenced cases and precedents I wasn't prepared for. Ended up losing AND had to pay the full amount plus additional penalties that accumulated during the process. If I could do it over, I would have either hired representation or worked out a payment plan with the IRS before it went to court.
This is exactly what I'm afraid of. Did you try calling the IRS beforehand to discuss settlement options, or did you go straight to representing yourself in court?
I tried calling the IRS multiple times but could never get through to anyone helpful. I just got transferred around and eventually disconnected. That's part of why I decided to fight it in court. Looking back, I should have been more persistent about reaching someone at the IRS who could discuss my case before the court date. Many cases get settled before court through their appeals process if you can actually reach the right person.
The tax clinic at the local law school helped me with a similar issue for a fraction of what a private attorney would charge. Many law schools run tax clinics where law students supervised by tax professors represent taxpayers for free or very low cost. Google "low income taxpayer clinic" or "tax clinic law school" plus your city name. Even if you don't qualify as low income, some will still help for a reduced fee. Definitely worth checking before you go it alone.
Mason Lopez
Just pointing out that the IRS rules for claiming a qualifying child are pretty specific. For you to claim the child, they need to have lived with you for more than half the year, be related to you, be under 19 (or 24 if a student), not provide more than half of their own support, and not be filing a joint return. The custodial parent usually has the right to claim the child, but can release that claim to the non-custodial parent using Form 8332. Check if you have any written agreements about who claims the child in your divorce paperwork.
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Pedro Sawyer
ā¢Our daughter lives with me about 70% of the time, and I'm the custodial parent according to our divorce decree. My ex was supposed to claim her last year because we verbally agreed to alternate years, but apparently he never did. We don't have anything formal like Form 8332 filed. Does that mean I should definitely file the amendment then?
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Mason Lopez
ā¢Yes, you should definitely file the amendment. Since you're the custodial parent with the child living with you 70% of the time, and you didn't sign Form 8332 to release the claim, you have the legal right to claim your daughter as a dependent. Without Form 8332, a non-custodial parent cannot claim the child regardless of verbal agreements. The IRS follows the documentation, not verbal agreements between parents. You're potentially leaving significant money on the table by not claiming her, especially with the expanded Child Tax Credit.
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Vera Visnjic
Has anyone used TurboTax to file an amended return for something like this? Is it pretty straightforward or should I go to an actual accountant? I'm in a similar situation with my kid.
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Jake Sinclair
ā¢I used TurboTax to amend my return last year when I forgot to claim my son's college expenses. It was surprisingly easy - you just start an amended return and it walks you through what you want to change. For something like adding a dependent, it should recalculate everything including any credits you might be eligible for.
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