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Financial advisor here - a few more things to consider about your 529 situation: 1) Remember that a 529 can only have one owner at a time. The owner has full control over the account, including the ability to change beneficiaries or even withdraw funds (with penalties for non-qualified expenses). 2) If you're concerned about maintaining control over your contributions, definitely open your own account. This is extremely common in divorce situations. 3) Check your divorce decree carefully - sometimes there are provisions requiring the ex-spouse to provide statements showing contributions and growth. 4) Coordinate with your ex on investment strategies - you don't want one account taking high risks while the other is conservative.
Thanks for the detailed info! My decree does require my ex to provide quarterly statements, but doesn't say anything about tax benefits. Are there any other implications I should be aware of if I open my own separate 529? Like, does it matter which account gets used first when my son goes to college?
There's no rule about which 529 account gets used first when your son attends college. Typically, you'd want to coordinate with your ex about this when the time comes. Some divorced parents agree to each pay a certain percentage of expenses, while others might agree to deplete one account before starting on the other. As for other implications, remember that having your own account gives you complete control over your contributions. If your ex were to use the funds inappropriately or change the beneficiary, you'd have no recourse with her account. With your own account, you maintain full control over your portion of the college savings.
Has anyone dealt with moving money from an existing 529 to a new one? My ex has been the owner of our kid's 529 for years but I want to start my own now for the tax benefits.
You can't directly transfer money from your ex's 529 to your new one unless your ex initiates it as the account owner. It would count as a withdrawal from their account and a new contribution to yours. Instead, just leave the existing money where it is and start making your new contributions to your own account.
That makes sense, thanks! Guess I'll leave the old funds where they are and just start fresh with my own account. Seems like the cleanest approach without having to get my ex involved more than necessary.
Don't overlook the redemption rules with Section 1202! My business acquisition got disqualified because the target company had redeemed shares from a departing founder just 12 months before I invested. The "2-year look-back" rule meant my stock didn't qualify. Make sure there haven't been any redemptions within 2 years before your purchase, and don't plan any redemptions within 2 years after. Also, if you're buying from existing shareholders rather than getting new shares issued directly from the company, that's generally not going to qualify as QSBS.
Thanks for bringing this up - I hadn't even considered redemption timing issues. Is there any exception if the redemption is very small compared to the total outstanding shares? For example, if they bought back 2% of shares from a departing employee?
There is a de minimis exception for redemptions, but it's very limited. The exception only applies if the total value of stock redeemed within the relevant period doesn't exceed $10,000 OR 2% of the value of all outstanding stock at the beginning of the period. So for most businesses of meaningful size, that 2% threshold is really tiny. The safest approach is to ensure no redemptions have occurred in the look-back period. If there have been redemptions, you'll need to carefully analyze whether they fall within the de minimis exception or whether there's a qualifying exception for death, disability, or divorce (there are specific carve-outs for these situations).
Has anyone else run into issues with the "active business" requirement? I bought a manufacturing business that qualified initially, but we started generating significant interest income from our cash reserves (about 15% of our income), and our accountant warned this might jeopardize our Section 1202 qualification.
Yes, this is a real concern! One way around this is to establish a separate entity for your excess cash/investments. The "active business" test requires that at least 80% of assets be used in the active conduct of a qualified business. If your cash reserves are getting too large, you could dividend out excess cash to yourself and then invest personally, or create a separate investment entity that wouldn't affect your QSBS-eligible company.
I'd contact your state's bar association and ask for a referral to a tax attorney. This is a pretty big screw-up by TurboTax and might fall under "professional negligence" since you paid for their Full Service option. Most attorneys offer free consultations. Save all communications from TurboTax about this error. Also, not sure if this helps, but did you itemize deductions? If you did, some of those gambling losses might offset the winnings for AGI calculation purposes. Tax law around gambling can be complicated.
Thanks for the advice! I didn't itemize - I took the standard deduction. Would that have made a difference with how the gambling income was handled? I'm definitely saving everything from TurboTax, including recording our phone conversations (with their knowledge).
Yes, that makes a significant difference. Gambling losses can only be deducted if you itemize deductions, and even then, they're limited to the amount of your gambling winnings. Since you took the standard deduction, you couldn't deduct those losses at all, which means your AGI should definitely have included all the gambling winnings. This actually makes TurboTax's error even more clear-cut. They should have included all gambling winnings in your AGI calculation regardless of your losses or deduction choice. Definitely consult with a tax attorney - this is a textbook case of preparer error.
Something similar happened to me with H&R Block last year. They completely missed reporting my crypto trading as income, and I got hit with a huge bill later. I ended up having to set up a payment plan with the IRS. Definitely call TurboTax customer service and ask to escalate to a supervisor. They may offer to cover penalties and interest. Also, start setting aside money now because the IRS won't care that it was TurboTax's mistake - they'll still expect you to pay what you owe.
Did H&R Block end up covering any of your penalties or offering any compensation for their mistake? I'm dealing with something similar right now.
Has anyone dealt with getting the actual 5498 forms from the bank? I'm having a nightmare situation where my bank (rhymes with bells largo) keeps telling me they "don't have access" to previous year forms. The IRS is hitting me with a deficiency notice over IRA contributions too.
Banks are required by law to keep those records! Ask to speak to a supervisor in their tax document department, not just a regular customer service rep. If they still refuse, remind them that per IRS regulations they MUST provide you with copies of tax documents for at least 3 years. If all else fails, you can try filing Form 4506-T with the IRS to get wage and income transcripts that might show the IRA contributions even if you don't have the bank's forms. I had to do this when my credit union "lost" my 5498 records during a system update.
Thanks for this advice! I called again today and specifically asked for the tax document department instead of regular customer service. They still gave me trouble but when I mentioned the IRS regulations about maintaining records, their tone changed completely. They're sending me copies of all my 5498 forms from the last 4 years. I had no idea about Form 4506-T either, that's super helpful as a backup option. I'm starting to feel like we need a complete guide for dealing with banks that "lose" or mess up IRA contribution records!
I just want to add something important about that 90-day window on the Notice of Deficiency. DO NOT miss that deadline! If you do nothing within 90 days, you lose your right to challenge this in Tax Court without first paying the full amount. My parents got hit with a similar IRA issue and thought they had resolved it by sending some documents to the IRS. They didn't realize they still needed to either file a Tax Court petition or resolve it completely within the 90 days. They ended up having to pay the full assessment plus additional interest, and then fight for a refund afterwards - which took almost 2 years to resolve. Even if you think you're resolving the issue by working with the bank and IRS, protect yourself by watching that deadline carefully.
This is really important info, thank you! Our letter arrived yesterday, so I'm guessing our 90-day clock is already ticking. Should we hire a tax attorney to help with the Tax Court petition if we can't get this resolved quickly? I'm worried about messing up the paperwork and losing our right to challenge this.
Owen Devar
Just a heads-up - I got my penalty abated through FTA but it took almost 3 months for the refund to actually show up! The IRS approved it pretty quickly when I called, but then the refund processing seemed to take forever. Don't panic if it takes a while.
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Daniel Rivera
ā¢Did you get any kind of confirmation number or anything when they approved it? I just submitted my request and realized I forgot to ask for some kind of reference number.
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Oliver Zimmermann
Let me save you all some trouble as someone who used to prepare taxes professionally. The FTA is one of the best-kept secrets at the IRS. Almost no one knows about it until after they've paid penalties. Pro tip: When you call or write to request the abatement, use these exact words: "I'm requesting a penalty abatement under the First Time Abatement administrative waiver, Internal Revenue Manual 20.1.1.3.3.2.1." Citing the specific IRM number shows you've done your homework and helps ensure the agent or processor knows exactly what you're asking for.
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CosmicCommander
ā¢This is really helpful, thanks! Is there a difference in success rates between calling vs writing a letter for the FTA request?
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Oliver Zimmermann
ā¢In my experience, calling is generally faster if you can actually get through to someone. You'll often get an immediate decision during the call. The agent can check your compliance history on the spot and approve the FTA right then. Letters take much longer due to IRS processing backlogs - sometimes 8-12 weeks or more. However, the success rate is probably about the same either way. The FTA criteria are pretty straightforward, and if you qualify, you should get approved regardless of which method you use. One advantage of writing is that you have documentation of exactly what you requested. If you call, make sure to take detailed notes of who you spoke with, when, and what they said.
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