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Morgan Washington

ISO disqualifying disposition strategy - exercising and repurchasing private company shares

I've accumulated some vested ISOs (Incentive Stock Options) at the startup I work for. The company is still privately held with no active secondary market, and honestly, there's no timeline I can see for when we might have a liquidity event. I wasn't planning to exercise them since it would tie up cash with uncertain returns. Here's my situation - I'm considering leaving the company next year, and some of my ISOs are approaching their 10-year expiration window. I'd need to either exercise or lose them. A colleague mentioned they're interested in buying shares at the strike price. If I exercise my ISOs and immediately sell the resulting shares to this colleague at exactly the strike price (so no profit), would I avoid any tax liability since this would be a disqualifying disposition with zero gain? Also, if I change my mind later and want to own shares again, could I repurchase them after waiting 30+ days? Would this be treated just like buying shares on a secondary market with no connection to my original ISOs? I'm confused about whether the Fair Market Value (FMV) of the shares factors into this scenario somewhere that I'm not seeing. Does the FMV matter for tax purposes even if the actual transaction price equals the strike price?

The tax treatment here is specific to ISOs, so let me clarify a few things. You're right that exercising and immediately selling to someone else would be a disqualifying disposition. Since you'd be selling at the same price you paid (the strike price), there would be no ordinary income to report. However, there's a catch - the company's current FMV does still matter. The difference between the FMV and your exercise price could potentially trigger AMT (Alternative Minimum Tax) liability in the year of exercise, even if you immediately sell the shares at the strike price to someone else. This is because AMT calculations look at the paper gain (difference between FMV and strike) at exercise, regardless of what you actually sell the shares for. For your repurchase question, you're correct. If you wait more than 30 days to repurchase (to avoid wash sale rules), buying shares later would be treated as a new purchase with no connection to your original ISO exercise. Your basis would simply be whatever you pay at that time.

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Thanks for the explanation. So even with a private company, there's still an FMV calculation happening? How is that determined if there's no public market? And would this AMT hit still apply if the board hasn't changed the 409A valuation in years?

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For private companies, the FMV is typically determined by the most recent 409A valuation, which companies are required to update at least annually or when significant events occur. So yes, even without a public market, there's still an established FMV for tax purposes. The AMT calculation would use whatever the official FMV is at the time of your exercise, regardless of how recently it was updated. If the company hasn't updated its 409A valuation recently but should have due to business growth, you could potentially face issues if audited, as the IRS might question whether the stated FMV was artificially low.

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Did they actually help with the 409A valuation questions? That's what I'm struggling with most since our company hasn't updated the valuation in 18 months despite significant revenue growth.

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How accurate were their calculations compared to what your accountant figured? I'm skeptical of automated tools handling something this complex...

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Just wanted to follow up on my experience with taxr.ai that I mentioned earlier. I decided to try it after my skeptical comment, and I was genuinely surprised. They analyzed my ISO grant agreement and spotted a provision I'd missed about accelerated vesting in certain acquisition scenarios, which actually impacted my exercise strategy. The AMT calculation tool showed me that exercising just a portion of my ISOs this year kept me under the AMT threshold, saving me from a $14,000 tax hit I would have faced otherwise. The documentation they provided made explaining the strategy to my accountant super easy. Definitely worth checking out if you're dealing with complex ISO decisions.

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Wait, how does that even work? The IRS actually calls you back? Sounds too good to be true given how impossible they are to reach.

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Something else to consider - if you exercise and sell the ISOs to your colleague at strike price, make sure you document EVERYTHING meticulously. The transaction should be at arm's length with proper documentation showing the FMV at time of exercise, the agreed sale price, and the timing of the transaction. I did something similar and got selected for audit. The IRS questioned whether the sale was legitimate or just a scheme to avoid taxation. Having proper documentation from the company about the FMV and a formal purchase agreement with the buyer saved me a huge headache.

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That's really helpful advice. What specific documentation did you end up needing? Just the stock purchase agreement or were there other forms the company needed to provide?

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I needed several documents to satisfy the IRS. First, I had the company provide a letter stating the most recent 409A valuation and when it was conducted. Second, I had a formal stock purchase agreement with the buyer that included representations about the arm's length nature of the transaction. I also kept all email communications regarding the negotiation to show it wasn't pre-arranged. Additionally, I made sure the payment was properly documented with a wire transfer rather than cash or personal checks. Finally, I had my exercise documented through the company's equity management platform with timestamps showing when each transaction occurred.

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Just to add a practical note - I went through this exact scenario and discovered the company bylaws actually had a Right of First Refusal clause that complicated my ability to sell to another individual. Make sure you check your company's stock agreement before assuming you can freely transfer shares to your colleague.

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Good point! Our company requires board approval for any stock transfers. Found that out the hard way when I tried to transfer some shares to my spouse last year.

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