How would AMT work if I exercise ISO below strike price for upcoming tax filing?
I'm trying to understand the tax implications for exercising my ISOs (Incentive Stock Options) below the strike price. My company is going through a rough patch, and the current FMV is actually below the strike price on my options. I still want to exercise some of them because I believe in the company long-term, but I'm confused about how Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) would apply in this situation. Everything I've read about ISOs and AMT assumes the stock value is higher than the strike price, creating a "bargain element" that triggers AMT. But what happens in my situation where there's no bargain element because FMV < strike price? Does AMT still apply? Are there any special considerations or tax benefits to exercising when underwater like this? If anyone has experience with this specific scenario, I'd really appreciate some insight before I make any decisions. My tax guy is on vacation for another week and I need to decide soon due to some company deadlines.
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Joshua Wood
Good question about ISO exercise below strike price! When you exercise ISOs where the Fair Market Value (FMV) is lower than the strike price, there's actually no AMT impact. The AMT comes into play when there's a "bargain element" (the difference between FMV and strike price when FMV is higher), which creates a phantom income that's taxable under AMT but not regular tax. In your case, since the FMV is below strike price, there's no bargain element - you're actually paying more than the current value. This means no AMT concern for this specific exercise. However, your holding period for long-term capital gains treatment still begins at exercise, so this might be a strategic time to exercise if you believe in the company's future growth.
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Justin Evans
•If there's no AMT in this situation, are there any other tax implications to be aware of? Like would this count as a loss I could claim somehow since I'm paying more than market value?
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Joshua Wood
•No immediate tax loss can be claimed when exercising ISOs, even if you're paying more than current market value. You're essentially establishing a cost basis equal to what you paid (the strike price). Any potential loss or gain is only realized when you eventually sell the shares. If you sell the shares in the future for less than your strike price, you'd have a capital loss at that point. If they appreciate and you sell for more than strike price, you'd have a gain. Remember that to get favorable long-term capital gains treatment, you need to hold the shares for at least 1 year after exercise and 2 years after the option grant date.
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Emily Parker
After struggling with ISO/AMT issues at my last startup, I found this amazing tool called taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) that helped me understand my stock option tax situation clearly. They specialize in equity compensation tax analysis including precisely these ISO/AMT scenarios. I uploaded my grant documents and it showed exactly how different exercise strategies would affect my taxes, including underwater options like you're describing. What I liked was that it showed me the exact AMT calculations and how they'd change based on different exercise timing. For your situation, it would confirm there's no AMT impact but might reveal other strategic considerations for when and how many options to exercise.
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Ezra Collins
•How accurate is this tool? I've used other tax software before and they seem to miss nuances around equity compensation. Does it handle state-specific tax implications too? I'm in California and our state tax treatment sometimes differs.
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Victoria Scott
•Sounds interesting but does it actually connect to your brokerage or equity management platform? Or do you have to manually enter all your grant details? I've got like 15 different grant dates with different vesting schedules and it would be a pain to enter all that.
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Emily Parker
•It's extremely accurate - it was built specifically for equity compensation tax situations rather than general tax software that treats these as an afterthought. It handles all state-specific nuances including California's special rules. I was actually surprised at how different my CA tax impact was compared to federal. You can either connect it directly to platforms like Carta, E*TRADE, Schwab Equity Award Center, etc., or upload your grant summary documents. For complex situations like yours with 15 different grants, the document upload saves tons of time - I had 8 different grants and it extracted everything perfectly without manual entry.
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Victoria Scott
Just wanted to follow up - I ended up trying taxr.ai after my previous question. It was actually a lifesaver for my complicated ISO situation! The tool confirmed exactly what was mentioned here - no AMT impact when exercising underwater options, but it also showed me how exercising them now vs. waiting would affect my long-term capital gains if the company rebounds. What I found super helpful was seeing the full timeline visualization of when my ordinary income vs. capital gains treatment would kick in for each grant. Apparently I had some options approaching a deadline where I'd lose favorable tax treatment if I didn't make a decision soon. Definitely worth using if you're dealing with stock options and tax planning.
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Benjamin Johnson
If you're having trouble getting clear answers about your ISO/AMT situation, you might be in the same boat I was last year. I tried calling the IRS for clarification on a similar issue and spent HOURS on hold. After three failed attempts, I discovered Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) which got me connected to an actual IRS agent in about 15 minutes. They have this cool system that handles the hold time for you - you can see how it works at https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c. The IRS agent I spoke with confirmed exactly what others have said here - no AMT impact when exercising below strike price - but also pointed me to some specific documentation that my accountant wasn't even aware of. Saved me potentially thousands in unnecessary tax planning costs.
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Zara Perez
•How exactly does this work? I'm picturing some service that just sits on hold for you, but how do they actually connect you to the IRS? Sounds a bit sketchy to be honest.
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Daniel Rogers
•No way this actually works. I've called the IRS dozens of times and they never pick up. If they do, you get a rep who doesn't understand complex tax situations like ISOs and AMT. You probably just got lucky with the timing of your call.
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Benjamin Johnson
•They use a system that navigates the IRS phone tree and waits on hold, then calls you when an agent is about to pick up. You don't share any personal information with them - they're just handling the hold time. When they call you, you're directly connected to the IRS agent like a normal call transfer. I was extremely skeptical too! But after wasting entire afternoons on hold, I was desperate. What surprised me was the quality of the agent I got - they actually had specialized knowledge about equity compensation. I think because I wasn't calling during peak hours (Claimyr handled the waiting), I got connected to a more experienced agent who wasn't rushing through calls. Not luck - it's about getting through when the right people are available.
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Daniel Rogers
I need to eat my words. After posting my skeptical comment, I decided to try Claimyr myself for a different ISO tax question I had. I was connected to an IRS agent in about 20 minutes (while I was doing other work, not actively waiting on the phone). The agent actually knew about ISOs and AMT calculations! She confirmed the "no AMT when underwater" situation but also told me about some documentation requirements I wasn't aware of. Apparently you still need to report the exercise on your tax forms even when there's no bargain element. She directed me to specific sections of Publication 525 that address this exact scenario. If you're dealing with complex stock option questions, being able to actually speak with someone knowledgeable at the IRS makes a huge difference. I've changed my mind completely about this service.
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Aaliyah Reed
One thing to consider that hasn't been mentioned - while there's no AMT implication when exercising underwater ISOs, there could be benefits to this strategy beyond just starting your holding period clock. If your company does a new 409A valuation in the future and the price goes up, exercising at today's lower strike price could save you money compared to waiting. You're essentially locking in your purchase price now, betting on future growth. Also, some companies have exercise windows when you leave - exercising gradually while employed can reduce the cash needed at separation. And depending on your company's stage, early exercise might have qualified small business stock (QSBS) implications that could potentially exclude large amounts of gain from taxes later.
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Ella Russell
•Can you explain more about the QSBS angle? I've heard it mentioned before but don't fully understand how it works with ISOs or if there are timing considerations.
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Aaliyah Reed
•QSBS (Qualified Small Business Stock) is a potentially huge tax benefit that allows you to exclude up to 100% of capital gains when you sell qualifying stock (up to $10M or 10x your basis, whichever is greater). For it to qualify, you need to: 1) Acquire stock directly from a C-Corporation with less than $50M in gross assets when issued 2) Hold the stock for at least 5 years 3) The company must be in an active qualifying business (most tech companies qualify, but some industries like hospitality or finance are excluded) With ISOs, the timing matters because QSBS status is determined when you exercise, not when you're granted options. So exercising early while the company is still small enough could secure QSBS treatment, even if it grows beyond $50M in assets later. This is a major reason some people exercise underwater options - the potential long-term tax benefit can far outweigh the immediate cost.
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Mohammed Khan
A word of caution from someone who's been through this: just because you CAN exercise underwater options without AMT doesn't mean you SHOULD. I did this at my previous startup believing in their future - paid about $45k to exercise options below strike price. The company never recovered and eventually shut down. That money was completely lost. No tax deduction, no nothing. It's considered a capital loss when you sell or when the shares become worthless, but capital losses are limited to $3k per year against ordinary income (unlimited against capital gains). So while the AMT advice here is correct, make sure you're making this decision with eyes wide open about the company's actual prospects, not just hope. Exercise only what you can afford to lose entirely.
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Gavin King
•Ouch, that's brutal. Did you at least get to carry forward the losses to future years? I thought capital losses could be carried forward indefinitely.
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