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The difference might be due to certain pre-tax deductions that don't count toward Social Security but do count for Medicare and federal income tax. Common examples include: 1. Health insurance premiums 2. Flexible spending accounts (FSA) 3. Some retirement contributions 4. Transportation benefit programs Check your final pay stub from 2018 and see if you had any significant pre-tax deductions that might explain the difference. Also, did you work for a school system or government agency? Some government employees have different Social Security withholding rules.
I did have a pretty expensive health insurance plan that was coming out pre-tax, plus I was maxing out my 401k that year. Could those really account for almost $95k difference between box 1/5 and box 3 though? That seems like a massive gap!
Health insurance premiums and 401(k) contributions typically reduce your Social Security wages, but $95k is an unusually large difference. Even if you maxed out your 401(k) at the 2018 limit ($18,500 plus any catch-up contributions if you were over 50), and had expensive health insurance (let's say $15,000-20,000 for a premium family plan), that would still only account for maybe $40,000 of the difference. If there's still a $55,000 gap unaccounted for, it's likely there was a reporting error. Another possibility is if you had some deferred compensation or special bonus arrangement that was treated differently for Social Security purposes. Either way, I would definitely contact your former employer for clarification.
I just realized my 2024 W-2 has a similar issue! Box 1 and 5 are both $87,430 but box 3 is only $52,189. I never would have noticed this if not for your post. Now I'm wondering if I'm paying the right amount of Social Security tax...
Just wanted to share my experience - I filed on Feb 7, got my state refund on Feb 19, and my federal finally came through yesterday (March 9). So about 30 days for federal. Never had it take this long before. Used TurboTax and had direct deposit set up. Nothing complicated on my return either - standard W-2 income, standard deduction. Still took forever compared to previous years.
Did you claim any credits like EIC or child tax credit? I heard those automatically delay processing. I'm on day 25 of waiting and getting nervous...
No special credits at all, which is why I was surprised by the delay. Just a totally vanilla return with W-2 income and the standard deduction. From what I've gathered reading online, even the simplest returns seem to be taking longer this year. The IRS apparently prioritizes certain returns with credits for lower-income filers, which is understandable, but it means even simple returns can sit in the queue longer than usual.
Anyone else notice the "Where's My Refund" tool is basically useless? Just says "Your return is still being processed" for WEEKS with no additional info. How hard would it be for them to add a simple estimated date or at least tell us if there's an actual problem vs just being in a queue??
Have you considered just filing the return yourself by mail? You can download the 2022 forms directly from IRS.gov, fill them out, print them, and mail them in. There's no fee for this. I know you mentioned efile, but for FAFSA purposes, a mailed return is considered filed as of the postmark date. Just make sure to send it certified mail so you have proof of when it was mailed. Much cheaper than paying someone, especially for a simple return with income under $5000.
Wouldn't mailing take forever to process though? I heard the IRS has massive backlogs with paper returns and it could take 6+ months. Would FAFSA accept just a mailing receipt as proof of filing?
Current processing time for paper returns is about 6-8 weeks, not 6 months. That used to be the case during COVID, but they've caught up significantly. Most financial aid offices understand the IRS processing timelines and will accept proof of mailing (certified mail receipt) as temporary documentation while the return processes. You can follow up by ordering a tax transcript once it's processed, which is what they ultimately want to see. Just contact your financial aid office first to confirm this approach works for them - different schools have different policies.
Has your kid checked if they actually needed to file for 2022? If they made under $5000 and it was just from a W-2 job (not self-employment), they might not have been required to file at all. For FAFSA purposes, if you weren't required to file, there's a specific process to indicate that. Might save you both time and money if filing wasn't actually required.
Thanks for bringing this up! I actually looked into this. Even though they weren't required to file based on the income threshold, they had federal taxes withheld from their paychecks. So we're filing to get that refunded - it's about $300 which would help with college expenses. Also, their college financial aid office specifically requested a 2022 tax return or transcript rather than the non-filing statement. Apparently, they've had issues with the non-filing verification process this year.
That makes perfect sense. Getting that $300 back is definitely worth filing for, and if the school specifically wants the return rather than a non-filing statement, you're on the right track. Just as an FYI for future reference, for very low incomes like this, your child might be able to claim "exempt" on their W-4 to avoid having federal tax withheld in the first place. That way they get all their money upfront instead of waiting for a refund. Something to consider for their current job if applicable!
5 To address your question about suing the government - it's extremely unlikely you'd succeed. The Supreme Court has previously ruled (in Flemming v. Nestor, 1960) that Americans don't have a legal right to Social Security benefits. Congress can change the rules at any time. That said, completely eliminating Social Security is politically unfeasible. About 65 million Americans receive benefits, and they vote in high numbers. Any politician suggesting complete elimination without replacement would face enormous backlash.
14 Wait, we don't have a legal right to benefits even though we're forced to pay into the system? That seems completely unfair! How is that constitutional?
5 The court essentially ruled that Social Security is a social program, not a contract, and Congress retains the right to alter, amend, or repeal any provision of the Social Security Act. The case specifically involved a person who was denied benefits after being deported for being a member of the Communist party. While it might seem unfair, the constitutional basis is that Congress has broad powers to tax and spend for the general welfare. The FICA tax is considered a valid exercise of this power, and benefits are authorized spending programs that can be modified. This is different from private contracts or property rights that have stronger constitutional protections.
3 Something important to consider: eliminating Social Security would create a massive surge in poverty among elderly Americans. Before Social Security, about 50% of seniors lived in poverty. Today it's around 9%. For about 40% of elderly Americans, Social Security provides at least 50% of their income. For about 14%, it provides 90% or more of their income. Any complete elimination would need to address this reality or we'd see catastrophic consequences.
Hazel Garcia
Whatever you do, DO NOT ignore this. I made that mistake and ended up with a levy on my paycheck where they took 25% of every check for months. Super embarrassing having to explain to my employer too. Call the IRS and your state tax agency immediately. Be honest that you want to resolve this but need a payment plan. In my experience, they actually become quite reasonable once you're actively trying to resolve things.
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Laila Fury
ā¢Did you need to provide any financial documentation to get on a payment plan? I'm worried they'll want to see all my expenses and bank statements.
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Hazel Garcia
ā¢For my situation (owed about $7k), I didn't need to provide detailed financial documentation. They just asked about my general monthly income and expenses over the phone. If you request a larger monthly payment amount than they initially suggest, they're less likely to request detailed financial info. For larger tax debts (over $10k I think), they might ask for more detailed financial information using Form 433-F. But even then, it's not as invasive as people fear.
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Geoff Richards
I went through this last year. Quick tip: when you call the IRS, specifically ask about "first-time penalty abatement" if you haven't had tax issues before. They removed about $700 in penalties for me, but they WON'T offer this unless you specifically ask for it by name.
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Simon White
ā¢That's a great tip! Does it work for state taxes too? My levy was from the state department of revenue.
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