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Has anyone here actually filed an amended return because of K-1s? How long did it take to process? I'm in the same boat and worried about how long I'll be in limbo.
Does anyone know if you'll still get in trouble with the IRS even though it's not your fault the K-1s are late? Seems unfair to be penalized when the partnership is the one dragging their feet on sending the forms.
Unfortunately, the IRS still considers it your responsibility to report all income accurately, even when the delays are caused by third parties like partnerships sending late K-1s. The penalties and interest aren't meant to be punitive so much as to compensate the government for the time-value of the money you owed but didn't pay on time. That said, you can request an abatement of penalties (though not interest) by showing reasonable cause, which could include receiving documents late. You'd need to document your efforts to get the information timely and show you acted reasonably. Success with this approach varies, but it's worth trying if you face significant penalties.
Have you considered putting her on the payroll as an employee instead? If she does legitimate work for the business like managing social media, website updates, administrative tasks, etc., you could pay her a reasonable salary. This would be a business expense for the LLC and earned income for her. Just make sure the compensation is reasonable for the work performed and keep good documentation of hours worked and tasks completed.
Just be careful with this approach. The IRS looks closely at family businesses that suddenly put family members on payroll, especially kids in college who aren't clearly providing services. Make sure you have solid documentation showing actual work being performed, regular payments (not just lump sums), and pay that's comparable to what you'd pay a non-family member.
Something nobody's mentioned yet - tuition payments made directly to an educational institution are exempt from gift tax regardless of amount. So if you're using the money for her education, you could pay her tuition directly to the school without it counting toward your $18k/person annual exclusion. Same goes for medical expenses paid directly to providers. This is separate from the 529 plan stuff mentioned above.
This is extremely helpful! We're paying about $42,000 per year for her tuition and housing. If we pay the school directly, that wouldn't count toward the gift tax limits at all? And we could still give her additional money up to the $36,000 combined annual exclusion for living expenses?
Exactly! Direct payments to educational institutions for tuition are completely exempt from gift tax. However, note that only tuition qualifies - not room and board, books, etc. Those would still fall under your annual gift exclusion. So yes, you could pay her tuition directly to the school (let's say $30,000) with no gift tax implications, PLUS give her up to $36,000 ($18k from each parent) for other expenses. That's a total of $66,000 you could transfer for her benefit without any gift tax reporting requirements.
5 Don't forget that this all assumes you're itemizing deductions rather than taking the standard deduction! With the standard deduction at $13,850 for single filers and $27,700 for married filing jointly in 2023, many people don't benefit from itemizing anymore unless they have very high mortgage interest, state taxes, or charitable contributions. Make sure your total itemized deductions (including this margin interest) exceed your standard deduction amount, otherwise all this calculation work won't actually save you anything on your taxes.
11 Great point! I actually messed this up last year. Spent hours tracking investment interest and other itemized deductions only to have my tax software automatically take the standard deduction because it was higher. Felt like such a waste of time.
5 Excellent reminder! To add a bit more detail - even if you can't benefit from the deduction this year because you're taking the standard deduction, you should still complete Form 4952 to establish your carryforward amount for future years when you might itemize. Also worth noting that if you're in a high-tax state like California, New York, or New Jersey, you're more likely to benefit from itemizing since state and local tax payments (though capped at $10,000) plus your margin interest might push you over the standard deduction threshold.
15 Something important that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure you're not running afoul of the "investment purpose" requirement. The IRS requires that margin loans be used specifically for investment purposes to be deductible. If you're using margin for personal expenses (like buying a car or paying for a vacation), that portion of the interest isn't deductible as investment interest. I learned this the hard way after an audit where I had to prove my margin loans were used to purchase securities.
2 Is there a specific way to document this? My brokerage account is kind of a mess with deposits, withdrawals, and margin usage all mixed together throughout the year.
I'm using Credit Karma Tax (now called Cash App Taxes) this year. Completely free for federal AND state returns, which is what initially drew me to it. Been using it for 3 years and it handles my moderately complex situation well (W-2 income, some stock sales, mortgage interest, etc). The interface is clean and they don't try to upsell you since it's completely free. Only downside is they don't support some more complex situations like multi-state filing or foreign income. But for most people, it's a great option that costs literally nothing.
Does Cash App Taxes handle self-employment income well? I have a small side business and have been using TurboTax Self-Employed, but it's so expensive.
Yes, Cash App Taxes handles self-employment income quite well for straightforward situations. It has all the Schedule C forms and walks you through business deductions, home office calculations, and quarterly estimated payments. Where it might fall short is if you have very complex business situations like inventory management, multiple businesses, or specialized industry deductions. For a side gig bringing in $4k like the original poster mentioned, it would be perfectly fine. I have a photography side business that makes about $12k annually and it works great for me.
Am I the only one still using a local CPA? I tried software for years but kept missing deductions. Started using a local accountant 3 years ago and she finds way more savings than I ever did on my own. I pay $350 for my return which includes a rental property and some self-employment income, but she saves me at least $1500 in taxes compared to when I did it myself. Plus when I got a letter from the IRS questioning something on my 2021 return, she handled everything for no additional fee. The peace of mind alone is worth it to me.
Do you think a CPA is worth it for simpler returns? I just have a W-2 job and a mortgage, no complicated stuff.
I used a CPA last year and she missed a huge education credit I was eligible for. When I pointed it out she acted like I was being difficult. Going back to doing it myself this year.
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3 Worth mentioning - if you had a lot of medical expenses this year but they don't quite push you over the standard deduction threshold, consider "bunching" your deductions. This means trying to concentrate deductible expenses in a single tax year. For example, if you know you'll have medical procedures early next year, see if you can prepay them in December of this year. Same with charitable donations - make next year's donations in December of this year. That way, you might have enough to itemize one year, and then take the standard deduction the next year.
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ā¢18 Question about bunching - does this actually save money in the long run? Or does it just shift when you get the deduction?
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ā¢3 Bunching can definitely save money in the long run! Let me explain with an example. Say you have $10,000 in medical expenses each year for two years, and the standard deduction is $12,900. If you take those expenses in separate years, you'd take the standard deduction both years ($12,900 Ć 2 = $25,800 total deductions). But if you could bunch $20,000 of expenses into one year, you'd itemize that year ($20,000) and take the standard deduction ($12,900) the next year, for a total of $32,900 in deductions across two years. That's an extra $7,100 in deductions!
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7 Have you looked into an HSA (Health Savings Account)? It won't help with expenses you've already paid, but for future medical costs, it's WAY better than itemizing deductions. Contributions are pre-tax, grow tax-free, and withdrawals for medical expenses are tax-free too. Triple tax advantage!
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ā¢1 I've been considering an HSA but I'm not sure if I qualify. Don't you need a high-deductible health plan for that? I have insurance through my employer but not sure what type of plan it counts as.
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