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Just wanted to share my experience - I filed on Feb 7, got my state refund on Feb 19, and my federal finally came through yesterday (March 9). So about 30 days for federal. Never had it take this long before. Used TurboTax and had direct deposit set up. Nothing complicated on my return either - standard W-2 income, standard deduction. Still took forever compared to previous years.
Did you claim any credits like EIC or child tax credit? I heard those automatically delay processing. I'm on day 25 of waiting and getting nervous...
No special credits at all, which is why I was surprised by the delay. Just a totally vanilla return with W-2 income and the standard deduction. From what I've gathered reading online, even the simplest returns seem to be taking longer this year. The IRS apparently prioritizes certain returns with credits for lower-income filers, which is understandable, but it means even simple returns can sit in the queue longer than usual.
Anyone else notice the "Where's My Refund" tool is basically useless? Just says "Your return is still being processed" for WEEKS with no additional info. How hard would it be for them to add a simple estimated date or at least tell us if there's an actual problem vs just being in a queue??
5 To address your question about suing the government - it's extremely unlikely you'd succeed. The Supreme Court has previously ruled (in Flemming v. Nestor, 1960) that Americans don't have a legal right to Social Security benefits. Congress can change the rules at any time. That said, completely eliminating Social Security is politically unfeasible. About 65 million Americans receive benefits, and they vote in high numbers. Any politician suggesting complete elimination without replacement would face enormous backlash.
14 Wait, we don't have a legal right to benefits even though we're forced to pay into the system? That seems completely unfair! How is that constitutional?
5 The court essentially ruled that Social Security is a social program, not a contract, and Congress retains the right to alter, amend, or repeal any provision of the Social Security Act. The case specifically involved a person who was denied benefits after being deported for being a member of the Communist party. While it might seem unfair, the constitutional basis is that Congress has broad powers to tax and spend for the general welfare. The FICA tax is considered a valid exercise of this power, and benefits are authorized spending programs that can be modified. This is different from private contracts or property rights that have stronger constitutional protections.
3 Something important to consider: eliminating Social Security would create a massive surge in poverty among elderly Americans. Before Social Security, about 50% of seniors lived in poverty. Today it's around 9%. For about 40% of elderly Americans, Social Security provides at least 50% of their income. For about 14%, it provides 90% or more of their income. Any complete elimination would need to address this reality or we'd see catastrophic consequences.
Have you considered just filing the return yourself by mail? You can download the 2022 forms directly from IRS.gov, fill them out, print them, and mail them in. There's no fee for this. I know you mentioned efile, but for FAFSA purposes, a mailed return is considered filed as of the postmark date. Just make sure to send it certified mail so you have proof of when it was mailed. Much cheaper than paying someone, especially for a simple return with income under $5000.
Wouldn't mailing take forever to process though? I heard the IRS has massive backlogs with paper returns and it could take 6+ months. Would FAFSA accept just a mailing receipt as proof of filing?
Current processing time for paper returns is about 6-8 weeks, not 6 months. That used to be the case during COVID, but they've caught up significantly. Most financial aid offices understand the IRS processing timelines and will accept proof of mailing (certified mail receipt) as temporary documentation while the return processes. You can follow up by ordering a tax transcript once it's processed, which is what they ultimately want to see. Just contact your financial aid office first to confirm this approach works for them - different schools have different policies.
Has your kid checked if they actually needed to file for 2022? If they made under $5000 and it was just from a W-2 job (not self-employment), they might not have been required to file at all. For FAFSA purposes, if you weren't required to file, there's a specific process to indicate that. Might save you both time and money if filing wasn't actually required.
Thanks for bringing this up! I actually looked into this. Even though they weren't required to file based on the income threshold, they had federal taxes withheld from their paychecks. So we're filing to get that refunded - it's about $300 which would help with college expenses. Also, their college financial aid office specifically requested a 2022 tax return or transcript rather than the non-filing statement. Apparently, they've had issues with the non-filing verification process this year.
That makes perfect sense. Getting that $300 back is definitely worth filing for, and if the school specifically wants the return rather than a non-filing statement, you're on the right track. Just as an FYI for future reference, for very low incomes like this, your child might be able to claim "exempt" on their W-4 to avoid having federal tax withheld in the first place. That way they get all their money upfront instead of waiting for a refund. Something to consider for their current job if applicable!
One thing nobody mentioned yet - make sure you fill out your W-4 correctly! The form was redesigned a few years ago and it's different from the old one. If you don't have multiple jobs and nobody claims you as a dependent, it's pretty simple. But if you have more than one job or your situation is complicated, the worksheet helps you figure out the right withholding so you don't end up owing a lot at tax time.
I messed up my W-4 last year and had way too little withheld. Ended up owing $1200 at tax time that I wasn't expecting! Is there an easy way to estimate how much should be withheld?
The IRS has a tax withholding estimator tool on their website that's actually pretty good. You enter your income, filing status, and other details, and it gives you the exact numbers to put on your W-4. If you're worried about owing again, you can also just put a specific additional amount to withhold on line 4(c) of the W-4. Even an extra $25-50 per paycheck can make a big difference at tax time and give you a buffer. Better to get a small refund than owe money you haven't budgeted for!
Just to clarify something important - if your manager is pushing the W-9 option, they might be trying to save money by not paying employer taxes. As others have said, based on your job description, you're clearly an employee who should fill out a W-4. If you fill out a W-9 instead, here's what happens: 1. No taxes will be withheld from your paychecks (you'll get the full $19/hour) 2. You'll be responsible for paying ALL taxes yourself quarterly 3. You'll pay higher taxes (both employer and employee portion of FICA) 4. You won't be eligible for unemployment benefits if you lose your job 5. You won't have workers' comp protection if you're injured Stand your ground and tell them you need a W-4 because you're an employee, not a contractor!
Thanks so much for this breakdown! I had no idea about all these differences. I'm definitely going to ask for the W-4 form when I go in tomorrow. If they keep pushing for the W-9, I'll show them this explanation about why I should be classified as an employee. Is there anything specific I should say if they try to insist on the W-9? I don't want to lose this job but also don't want to get stuck with a huge tax bill later.
Just be straightforward but polite. Say something like: "I've done some research, and based on my role here, I should be classified as an employee and fill out a W-4. Employee classification is determined by IRS rules, not by preference." If they still push back, you could mention that employee misclassification is something the IRS takes seriously, and you're concerned about potential tax issues down the road. You could also ask what specifically about your role makes them think you should be a contractor rather than an employee. As a last resort, you can always contact your state's Department of Labor or the IRS directly for clarification. But hopefully a straightforward conversation will resolve it!
Mateo Warren
Something else to check - make sure your bank account info was entered correctly when you filed. My sister had a delay because she transposed two digits in her account number. The IRS tried to deposit the refund, it bounced back, and then they had to mail her a paper check which took another 3-4 weeks. Double check that your direct deposit info was entered correctly!
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Kaylee Cook
ā¢I just double-checked all my banking info and everything looks correct. My boss was super careful when entering everything. Is there any way to confirm with the IRS that they have the right account number on file?
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Mateo Warren
ā¢Unfortunately, you can't verify the exact account details the IRS has on file through the Where's My Refund tool. The best way to confirm would be to speak with an IRS representative directly, which goes back to the challenge of reaching someone. If your return was e-filed through H&R Block, you could also contact them to verify what banking information was submitted with your return. They should have records of exactly what was sent to the IRS.
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Sofia Price
One thing nobody mentioned - if you file with EITC and a dependent, the IRS sometimes requires additional documentation. Check your mail regularly! They might have sent you a letter requesting more info to verify your eligibility. It happened to me last year and my refund was on hold until I responded.
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Alice Coleman
ā¢This is so true. The IRS sent me a letter asking for proof my kid lived with me, and it got lost in a pile of junk mail. I never responded and my refund was delayed for MONTHS.
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