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One important thing to know is that Roth IRAs have income limits for contributions too. For 2021, if you were single and had a modified AGI over $140k (or married filing jointly over $208k), you wouldn't have been eligible to contribute the full amount or possibly any amount to a Roth IRA. If your income was above those limits and you still contributed, you might have an excess contribution issue that would need to be addressed. The penalty for excess contributions is 6% of the excess amount for each year it remains in the account.
Thanks for pointing this out! My income was definitely below those limits in 2021 (around $65k) so I was eligible for the full contribution. I think I might have been confused about how much I actually contributed - just double checked and it was exactly $6k, not $8k like I initially wrote. My memory isn't what it used to be lol. If I'm understanding everyone correctly, since the Roth contribution doesn't affect my tax liability and my income was too high for the Saver's Credit but below the Roth income limits, there's really no benefit to amending my return. Does that sound right?
That's exactly right. If your contribution was $6k (within the limit), your income was below the Roth IRA income thresholds but above the Saver's Credit limit, there's really no reason to amend your return. The IRS already has the information from the Form 5498 that your financial institution filed, and since Roth contributions don't impact your tax liability, you're good to go. One less thing to worry about!
Another thing to consider - if you plan to do backdoor Roth conversions in the future, having accurate records of all your contributions becomes more important for tracking purposes. Even though it may not affect your taxes now, I recommend keeping good records of all your IRA contributions (both traditional and Roth) for future reference.
Can you explain what a "backdoor Roth conversion" is? I keep hearing about it but don't really understand the concept or why it matters for record keeping.
You might want to check your state tax withholding too. When my federal withholding got adjusted between multiple jobs, my state withholding also changed because many state systems piggyback on the federal withholding information. This might be especially important if you live in a high-tax state like CA, NY, or NJ.
Good point! I just checked and you're right - my state withholding also changed on my part-time job. I'm in Illinois, and it looks like they increased the state withholding percentage at the same time as the federal. Any specific suggestions for handling state withholding with multiple jobs? Is it similar to federal or do they have different rules?
State withholding generally follows similar principles to federal, but each state has its own specific forms and calculation methods. For Illinois, they use your federal allowances as a starting point for state withholding calculations. I'd recommend checking the Illinois Department of Revenue website for their withholding calculator or Form IL-W-4. Since both jobs are now withholding correctly, you might just need to make sure your additional withholding amount on your full-time job's W-4 is adjusted downward to account for the new withholding happening at your part-time job. The goal is to get your total withholding across both jobs to match your expected tax liability.
Has anyone else noticed that the FITWH on multiple jobs seems to be calculated weirdly this year? Like my second job is withholding at a much higher rate per dollar than my main job even though they both have the same W-4 settings? Is that normal?
That's actually by design! The 2020 W-4 redesign and IRS withholding tables are set up so that if you check the multiple jobs box, your second/lower paying job often has a higher withholding percentage. This is because the system assumes your first job already uses up your standard deduction and lower tax brackets, so additional income is taxed at higher marginal rates.
Dont forget to check if your parents are claiming you as a dependent! If they are (and they probably should if they provide more than half your support), it affects how you file. You can still file and get your refund, but you'll need to indicate that someone else can claim you as a dependent.
Also consider that you might need to file state taxes even if you don't need to file federal! Each state has different rules and thresholds. Some states will give you a refund of state income taxes even if you're below the federal filing requirement.
I hadn't even thought about state taxes! I'm in Texas - do you know if they have state income tax here?
You're actually in luck! Texas is one of the few states with no state income tax, so you don't need to worry about filing a state return. Just the federal one. That makes things much simpler for you! If you ever move to another state though, definitely check their specific requirements. States like California, New York, and many others have their own income taxes with different thresholds and rules.
Just an FYI - the $4,700 limit for 2023 is indexed for inflation, which is why it seems so low. It doesn't apply if your dependent is a qualifying child (rather than qualifying relative) or if they're a full-time student under 24. For 2024, that limit is going up to $5,050. Still not much, but at least it's increasing. If your stepson decides to take some classes and becomes a full-time student, then the gross income test wouldn't apply at all.
Wait, so if he enrolled in college classes the income limit wouldn't matter? Even at a community college? My daughter works part-time making about $8k but she's taking 3 classes each semester.
That's correct! If your daughter is under 24 and a full-time student (generally defined as taking a full course load for at least 5 months of the year), then the gross income test doesn't apply for determining if she's your qualifying child. She would need to meet the other tests: relationship (your daughter, so check), residency (lived with you for more than half the year), age (under 19 or under 24 if full-time student), and support (you provide more than half her support). The number of classes determines full-time status according to the school's definition, so 3 classes might qualify if her school considers that full-time.
The whole dependent thing is super confusing. Last year I thought I could claim my 22yo son cause he lives at home and I pay for everything, but turbotax said no cause he made like $13k at his part-time job. but then my friend claimed her 20yo daughter who made $15k???
Andre Moreau
Have you looked into whether your dad qualifies for an "identity theft" exception? If your sister used the card without proper authorization, it could potentially be reported as not your dad's debt. Though from your description, it sounds like he gave permission, so probably doesn't apply here. Another thing to consider: disability benefits are handled differently depending on whether it's SSDI or SSI. If it's SSI (Supplemental Security Income), the canceled debt could potentially affect benefits since that's needs-based. If it's SSDI (Social Security Disability Insurance), it normally wouldn't affect benefits since they're not income-based.
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Luca Russo
ā¢Thanks for the suggestion. It wasn't identity theft - my dad knowingly let my sister use the card to help her out, so we can't go that route. He's on SSDI, not SSI, so that's somewhat reassuring. I'm still concerned about how this might impact his tax situation though, especially since he's normally not required to file due to low income. Does the 1099-C automatically mean he must file now, even with SSDI being his only income source?
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Andre Moreau
ā¢If your dad is only receiving SSDI and is single, he generally wouldn't need to file a tax return unless his total income exceeds the standard deduction (which is $14,600 for 2024 if he's over 65). The 1099-C amount would count toward that threshold. So if his SSDI benefits plus the $8,200 canceled debt amount is less than the standard deduction, he still wouldn't be required to file. However, if it puts him over that threshold, then yes, he would need to file - but should definitely look into the insolvency exception in that case.
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Zoe Stavros
Has your father looked into filing Form 8275 (Disclosure Statement) along with the Form 982 for the insolvency exclusion? It allows you to fully explain unusual tax situations to avoid triggering automatic audits. I used it last year when dealing with a complicated 1099-C situation where I needed to explain why the canceled debt shouldn't be treated as income.
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Jamal Harris
ā¢Form 8275 seems risky to me. I've heard it's like waving a red flag at the IRS saying "look at me!" Wouldn't it be better to just file Form 982 and only provide additional explanation if they actually question it?
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