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One important thing no one has mentioned yet - make sure you're getting Form 8832 from the Montessori school with their tax ID number and payment information. You'll need this to properly document the childcare expenses for the Child and Dependent Care Credit. Also, there are income limits and maximum credit amounts to be aware of. For one child, the maximum expenses you can claim is $3,000 per year (or $6,000 for two or more children). The actual credit percentage depends on your income level.
Thanks for mentioning the form! Quick question - is it Form 8832 or did you mean something else? I've been looking online and Form 8832 seems to be related to business entity classification, not childcare expenses. Is there a different form number I should be asking my son's Montessori for?
You're absolutely right, I made a mistake with the form number. I meant to say that you should get documentation from the childcare provider, which is typically reported on Form 2441, not 8832. Most providers will give you a receipt or year-end statement with their tax ID (EIN) and the total amount you paid during the year. Some providers will complete Form W-10 (Dependent Care Provider's Identification and Certification) which gives you their official information for tax purposes. That's what you'll need when completing Form 2441 to claim the Child and Dependent Care Credit. Thanks for catching my error!
Has anyone actually had success claiming Dependent Care Credit when their ex claimed the child as a dependent? I've been told conflicting things by different preparers.
Yes! I successfully did this last year. The key is that you must have custody for more than half the nights of the year to claim the Dependent Care Credit, even if your ex claims the child as a dependent due to your agreement. I had to paper file though, because TurboTax kept giving me errors when I tried to enter it this way.
Going back to the original 1031 exchange question - I had a similar situation where I wanted to do something creative with different types of assets. My tax attorney suggested an alternative approach: consider an opportunity zone investment instead of forcing a 1031. If you're willing to invest your capital gains into a Qualified Opportunity Zone, you can defer the tax until 2026, and if you hold the investment for 10 years, any appreciation on the opportunity zone investment itself can be tax-free. Might be worth exploring if your vacation rental is in or near a designated opportunity zone.
Does the Opportunity Zone investment have to be made immediately after selling the software? Are there timing requirements like with a 1031 exchange? This sounds interesting.
You have 180 days from the date of sale to invest in a Qualified Opportunity Fund to defer the capital gains from your software sale. Unlike a 1031 exchange, you only need to invest the gain portion, not the entire proceeds. The key timing requirements are the 180-day investment window, and then the holding periods: hold for 5 years and you get a 10% reduction in the deferred gain; hold for 10+ years and any new appreciation on the opportunity zone investment itself becomes completely tax-free. This could be especially valuable if you're buying a vacation rental that you expect to appreciate significantly.
I had a coworker who tried a 1031 exchange between dissimilar properties a couple years ago. The IRS audited him and he ended up having to pay the full capital gains tax plus penalties and interest. Be really careful with anything that seems like a stretch with these exchanges. The rules are super specific.
Did he use a qualified intermediary? I've heard that's essential for doing these exchanges properly.
Have you considered just selling the property and putting the money in a 529 plan? If you've owned the rental for years, you might have significant appreciation that would be taxed if sold normally, but using a portion for qualified education expenses might offset some of that tax hit. The 1031 route seems unnecessarily complicated if your main goal is just paying for college.
Thanks for suggesting the 529 plan option. My concern with selling outright is the capital gains tax - we've owned the property for about 12 years and it's appreciated significantly. I was under the impression that if I used a 1031 exchange, I could defer those taxes indefinitely, whereas selling and using for college would trigger immediate tax liability. Are you saying there's some education-related exemption for capital gains that I'm not aware of? That would definitely simplify things if so!
I think I wasn't clear - there's no special education exemption for capital gains on rental property sales. You would indeed face capital gains taxes if you sell without a 1031 exchange. What I meant was more about weighing the complexity of the 1031 process against your goals. If college funding is the primary objective, sometimes it's worth taking the tax hit for simplicity and flexibility. However, if preserving wealth long-term is equally important, then the 1031 approach makes more sense despite the additional complexity. The 529 suggestion was separate - if you do sell, putting some proceeds in a 529 would give tax-free growth for the education portion.
One thing nobody's mentioned - if you do the 1031 exchange and buy a property near campus, but have your son living there, you need to be VERY careful about personal use rules. The IRS could potentially disallow the entire exchange if they determine the property wasn't held primarily for investment purposes. Generally, you need to charge fair market rent to family members to maintain the investment property status. Having your son manage the property for a reasonable fee is fine, but giving him free or reduced rent could jeopardize both the 1031 exchange and your ongoing rental property deductions.
This is really important! I made this exact mistake with my daughter's housing during college. I did a 1031 exchange, put her in the property, charged her below-market rent, and got audited three years later. Had to pay back taxes plus penalties because the IRS reclassified it as a personal residence. Document EVERYTHING and charge fair market rates!
Just to clarify some confusion I see in this thread: When you file taxes, you're not "claiming yourself as a dependent." You're either filing as someone who CAN be claimed as a dependent or as someone who CANNOT be claimed as a dependent. The difference affects which tax credits you can claim. If you can be claimed as someone else's dependent (even if they don't actually claim you), you can't claim certain credits like the Recovery Rebate Credit. For claiming your brother: Since he's your sibling, you need to meet the qualifying relative tests, not the qualifying child tests. The main tests are: 1) You provided more than half his support, 2) His income was less than $4,950 (for 2023), 3) He lived with you all year, and 4) He's not filing a joint return.
Thanks for explaining! So if I understand correctly, on my tax return I would indicate that I CANNOT be claimed as a dependent on someone else's return (since I provide more than half my own support), and then separately I'd try to claim my brother as my dependent if I meet all those tests you listed?
That's exactly right. You would check the box indicating that no one else can claim you as a dependent on their return. This is different from "claiming yourself as a dependent" which isn't a thing. Then separately, you would list your brother as your dependent if you meet all the qualifying relative tests. Make sure you have documentation showing you provided more than half his support - things like receipts for rent, utilities, food, clothing, medical expenses, etc. This is especially important since claiming siblings is something the IRS sometimes looks at more closely.
Just wondering - does it matter that the brother is 17? Doesn't that make him a qualifying child rather than a qualifying relative? I thought siblings under 19 could be qualifying children.
You're right! A sibling can be a qualifying child if they're under 19 (or 24 if a student), they lived with you for more than half the year, they didn't provide more than half of their own support, and they meet the other tests. The benefit of qualifying child vs. qualifying relative is that there's no income limit for a qualifying child. So even if OP's brother made more than $4,950, they might still be able to claim him as a dependent under the qualifying child rules.
Ava Johnson
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you look into the EITC (Earned Income Tax Credit) rules too if you're going to claim them. There are special rules for claiming EITC with qualifying children, and the disability status might actually help you qualify for more. Plus don't forget about the Child Tax Credit and the Credit for Other Dependents. When I claimed my niece who has special needs, I got way more back than I expected because of these credits. Just make sure you have documentation of their diagnosis and any expenses related to their care.
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Liam O'Donnell
ā¢Thanks for mentioning this! Do you know if I would qualify for the Child Tax Credit specifically, or would it be the Credit for Other Dependents since I'm the grandparent, not the parent? Also, would my daughter still be able to get the disability benefits if I claim the kids on my taxes?
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Ava Johnson
ā¢You can potentially qualify for the Child Tax Credit even as a grandparent! The relationship test for the CTC includes grandchildren. As long as they meet the other tests (lived with you more than half the year, you provided more than half their support, they're under 17, etc.), you can claim the full Child Tax Credit, which is worth much more than the Credit for Other Dependents. Your daughter can continue receiving the disability benefits for the children regardless of who claims them on taxes. The tax dependency status and disability benefits eligibility are separate systems. The important thing is that you're actually using the majority of resources (including your own money plus a portion of those benefits) to support the children.
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Miguel Diaz
Has anyone dealt with the autistic dependent situation specifically? My grandson is also on the spectrum and I found there are additional tax benefits I qualified for, like the Child and Dependent Care Credit if you pay for specialized care while you work. Also, some therapy expenses might qualify as medical expenses if you itemize deductions instead of taking the standard deduction.
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Zainab Ahmed
ā¢Yes! We claim my wife's brother who has autism and we deduct a lot of his therapy expenses as medical expenses. If their medical expenses exceed 7.5% of your AGI, you can itemize and deduct them. Also look into FSA or HSA accounts to pay for these expenses pre-tax if possible.
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